Posted on 03/29/2020 7:46:10 AM PDT by janetjanet998
Yesterday's thread here: https://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/3828913/posts?page=1
Actually, we have an entire population that was tested. Everybody aboard the Diamond Princess was tested during and after the outbreak.
you need to catch up a few week’s threads. HF is one of the complications of China Origin Virus ID-19.
Reposting, from 3/28 thread
AMA
podcast, 23 min:
Association of Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19) With Myocardial Injury and Mortality
Interview with Robert O. Bonow, MD, Patrick T. O’Gara, MD, Clyde W. Yancy, MD, and Gregg C. Fonarow, MD, authors of Association of Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19) With Myocardial Injury and Mortality, and Ajay J. Kirtane, MD
23min
https://edhub.ama-assn.org/jn-learning/audio-player/18361843
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Cardiovascular Implications of Fatal Outcomes of Patients With Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19)
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamacardiology/fullarticle/2763845
Potential Effects of Coronaviruses on the Cardiovascular System
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamacardiology/fullarticle/2763846
Association of Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19) With Myocardial Injury and Mortality
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamacardiology/fullarticle/2763844
Cardiac Involvement in a Patient With Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19)
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamacardiology/fullarticle/2763843
Management of Critically Ill Adults With COVID-19
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2763879
Re: your post 22
Please identify one of the listed that results in multiple casualties among first responders, HCWs, unrelated ward patients, and unrelated grandmas in grocery stores - concurrently. If the answer is none, you have your answer as to why this is different, or ‘novel’.
“A lot off other things are killing a LOT more people every minute compared to this thing.”
CCP-19 killed twice as many people yesterday as the flu, even using the harshest CDC estimates. It has infected somewhere around 1% of the population in a few weeks versus the flu which typically infects 20% over the course of a whole flu season. We have vaccines and some herd immunity to the flu to keep that number at 20%. We have none of that for CCP-19. CCP-19 is more contagious and it should be obvious to even the most stubborn of FluBros, more lethal.
Allowed to run amok as the FluBros advocate, it will kill more Americans than any other disease or ailment. It wouldn’t even be close. This year.
Where did you get those stats? Particularly the seasonal flu deaths stat?
The CDC estimate high end for this flu season as of March 21 is 62,000. So did the flu kill another 55,000 just this past 10 days? Or are you just making stuff up?
Actually, looking at the rest of the stats, they appear to be entirely bullshit. Shame on you, you should be zotted.
“The “normal” flu affects people of all ages, where COVID-19 preys on the old who had disproportionate economic and political influence and power. Congress itself is a good example, it is a geriatric assisted care facility by another name....”
You are full of it. CCP-19 also affects the young and healthy, in much the same proportions the flu does. It just kills a lot more people.
It’s clear from your posts that you are an ageist. Why do you hate old people?
“I’m a business analyst.”
So that is what is driving your confirmation-bias? Ah, I see. It’s all about the Benjamins.
“ITALY “
Pretty ugly. Running well over 40% instantaneous CFR and a 10% DCR. Hope they get it under control.
To bring it down to 2% they would need to find another 440,000 cases and have them all live. To get to 1% they need around 1 million new cases to be discovered.
That’s a lot of imaginary friends the FluBros are claiming.
“It’s moving faster than the flu, it seems to this nonstatistician. That is what has become so frightening. And much of the moving is invisible until it’s too late. So many people just now waking up to the demonic spirit of this epidemic.”
It’s the much higher R0 and the contagiousness of the asymptomatic.
The study found that the chance of dying from COVID-19 clearly increases with age.
There were no reported deaths from COVID-19 in children under 10, and other studies have suggested that children who are infected do not become very sick.
So the worst week in the worst year on that chart (past 8 years) is 1600 deaths or about 230 per day.
We’ve been cranking that all week. 515 yesterday. With a tiny segment of the population infected (I stand by my <1% estimate).
20% of the population gets the flu on average (CDC estimate, FWIW) each season (really, only about 7-8 months of the year).
Without ongoing containment, it would be all over already.
“It’s a non-event in my country. burt we’re still locked down.”
Your “country”? Would that be China or Cuba? North Korea?
What is this I am reading Iceland has identified 40 different strains?
Heart failure is a known effect of the virus, especially on the younger folks that withstand the earlier effects.
Stop with the disinformation.
“In turn, many of the “flatten the curve” crowd don’t care about cost...”if quarantine saves the life of one child, it was worth it...” they may say. And yea, I can get behind that to a large degree. But witness the cost...not just in dollar terms but stress, etc...and the baby boom we will see in the fourth quarter globally. “
It is more about distributing the carnage over a longer period so we don’t crash both our HCS and our economy. We lose one, we lose both, eventually. Containment and mitigation save lives and will save far more than the 2T we’ve injected to tide us over (for a while, possibly more will be needed). What we need next is the treatments we have been told are in the works. That will shut this thing down fast.
“Cases by Age Range and Gender:
0-9 4
10-19 21
20-29 165
30-39 203
40-49 241
50-59 243
60-69 191
70-79 117
80+ 54
Female: 634, Male: 605”
Just for the record, can we put to rest the claims that this is an “old people disease” and mock people that still promote that idea to the extent they deserve? Similarly, the “males are worse hit” narrative? They just suck up bandwidth better used for analysis. Yes, this is one state, but almost all the states show similar distributions.
12 of the 712 positives have died. DCS 1.7%. Around 100 cases remain unresolved. So on a pace to hit 2% if the distribution remains constant.
The remaining cases could all resolve favorably. That would be good news. But there has been a trickle of deaths after the initial spike.
This disease puts people down for a long time in many cases. It picks off the low hanging fruit fast, then another here and there. It does not let go easily.
“The study found that the chance of dying from COVID-19 clearly increases with age. “
I am trying to remember where that was *ever* disputed.
And what is your point? Virtually all diseases are harder on the aged and people with underlying conditions. This one gets some of the young and healthy, too, just like many other diseases.
But even if this only affected the old and sick, exactly how does that make it okay?
And do you think you can just wave some magic wand to separate the old and sick from the rest of us? It takes time and money you aren’t willing to spare to do that.
You seem awfully casual with other people’s lives.
“I was wondering what the HIGHEST death day of an average flu was and, even, what the highest death day was for H1N1. “
The chart up thread showed a 1600 death week as the highest in the last 8 years. That’s not the CDC, which claims higher numbers (and which many people accuse of cooking the books, rightly or wrongly.
“Strain” can be somewhat ambiguous. Any minor mutation that has no effect on the virus’ behavior could be considered a different strain if you are keeping score that way. That being said, if immunity to one “strain” is not immunity to the other “strain” then it’s different enough in my book to worry about. The odds against a mutation happening are not ridiculously high but the odds against it making a difference are pretty steep. That is why we don’t have 20 new flus every season. Or a hundred. But we do get them from time to time.
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