Posted on 01/16/2020 1:08:37 PM PST by Red Badger
(CNSNews.com) - Even before they transmitted the articles of impeachment to the Senate for trial, House Democrats on Wednesday argued against the Senate calling Hunter Biden as a witness. (Not that the House has any say in what the Senate decides.)
While Democrats insist that the Senate call witnesses who may be favorable to their case, they say Hunter Biden is not a "relevant" witness for Republicans.
Oh, yeah? say Republicans.
"They don't want to get into the facts," Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas) told Fox News's Sean Hannity Wednesday night:
And what they're really terrified of is the very significant evidence of real corruption. You've got Hunter Biden making $83,000 a month from the biggest natural gas company in Ukraine.
And what was he being paid for? He wasn't a geologist, he wasn't a geophysicist. But his daddy was vice president, and his daddy was intervening in a very direct way. And that is significant evidence, I believe, of corruption.
And at a minimum, it's more than enough for the president to say we will follow the law and investigate it. And I expect to hear that at considerable length from the president's defense team.
Cruz is proposing a one-for-one witness deal:
"You know, you mentioned witnesses," Cruz told Hannity. "What I've been saying, I don't know if there's going to be 51 senators to bring witnesses in or not. I think there is plenty already to reject the ridiculous articles of impeachment.
"But if they are going to bring witnesses in, we're not going to do what the House did with a one-sided show trial. And I think it should be, at a bare minimum, one for one. So if the prosecution brings a witness, if they bring John Bolton, then President Trump can bring a witness, he can bring in Hunter Biden. And it should be fair and even," Cruz said.
'Relevance'
Call Hunter Biden to the witness stand? Perish the thought, Rep. Jerrold Nadler (D-N.Y), one of the seven House impeachment managers, said on Wednesday.
"[T]he relevant question is relevance," Nadler said. "In any trial, you call witnesses who have information about the allegations, about the charges. The allegations, for which there is a mountain of evidence, are that the President betrayed his country by trying to extort Ukraine, by withholding $391 million in military aid that Congress had voted, in order to get Ukraine to announce an investigation of a domestic political opponent. That is the allegation.
"Any witness who has information about whether that is true or not true is a relevant witness. Anybody like Hunter Biden, who has no information about any of that, is not a relevant witness. Any trial judge in this country, would rule such a witness as irrelevant and inadmissible," Nadler said.
According to the summary of his July 25 phone call with the Ukraine president, Trump mentioned two areas of corruption that he was interested to know more about: the origins of the FBI's Trump-Russia investigation, in which Ukraine may have had some part, the president apparently believed. Trump told President Zelensky that "a lot of it" -- the election interference -- supposedly started in Ukraine:
"I would like you to find out what happened with this whole situation with Ukraine, they say Crowdstrike... I guess you have one of your wealthy people... The server, they say Ukraine has it. There are a lot of things that went on, the whole situation. I think you're surrounding yourself with some of the same people. I would like to have the Attorney General call you or your people and I would like you to get to the bottom of it," Trump said.
After Zelensky brought up “investigations,” Trump responded: "The other thing, there's a lot of talk about Biden's son, that Biden stopped the prosecution, and a lot of people want to find out about that, so whatever you can do with the Attorney General would be great. Biden went around bragging that he stopped the prosecution, so if you can look into it ... It sounds horrible to me."
(In a January 2018 appearance at the Council on Foreign Relations, Joe Biden bragged that as vice president, he used a billion-dollar loan guarantee as leverage to get a Ukraine prosecutor fired. Biden denies the firing had anything to do with an investigation of Burisma, the Ukraine gas company on whose board Hunter Biden sat.)
No criminal conduct
Cruz told Hannity on Wednesday that "Nancy Pelosi's circus is done...the farce is over."
The bulk of the testimony in the House would be inadmissible in any federal court or in any state court. An awful lot of it was hearsay. People with no direct evidence, witnesses who never even met president trump, much less heard anything he had to say. And an awful lot of the testimony was essentially, 'I don't know but I know a guy who knew a guy who told me this happened.'
Now, there's a reason courts don't let that testimony in, because it's notoriously unreliable. That being said, if the House managers get up and they want to do a presentation on their ridiculous 'somebody knew a guy who knew a guy who knew a guy who said the following,' I feel confident that President Trump's lawyers are going to eat their lunch.
Because it's ridiculous. And the reason you know it's ridiculous -- if you look at the articles the House voted out. You remember, for months and months they were talking about qui quo pro. Well, they didn't vote out anything on quid pro quo. They were talking for weeks and weeks about bribery. They didn't vote out anything on bribery.
This is the first time in the history of the country a president has ever been impeached without an article even alleging criminal conduct. They don't allege a single federal law that was violated, not a criminal law, not a civil law. This is a partisan sham. Because they're mad, the House Democrats are mad at the American people for electing President Trump. And that's why the result of this is going to be rejecting the articles of impeachment.
I bought lots of popcorn last week. Microwavable so its ready to go.
They're equals the Uniparty.
Of course Hunter can be a witness.
If Trump’s team can demonstrate that there is reasonable suspicion (not proof) that Hunter was involved in criminal activity with Bursima, in effect indicting him, then that provides more than enough standing for Trump to initiate measures to persuade Ukraine to investigate Hunter - regardless of whether, and actually in the national interest because, Joe Biden is running for President. This process would need only meet grand jury standards, not legal conviction.
Same here with EXTRA BUTTER and purchase a bottle of Tabasco Sauce to sprinkle over my popcorn.
OMG I remember those
At this moment, all we can do is trust the experience in these constitutional matters to those like Senator Cruz and Paul, etc.
I mentioned to my wife that it is a shame that Cruz could not have been on the POTUS defense team since he is a member of the Senate. But I suppose the sparks will fly plenty enough with the present POTUS defense team.
I dont see this getting to the calling up of witnesses. Its gonna be over as soon as the house managers bumble their act and the senate goes-”WTH? GET OUTTA HERE!”
“trying to extort Ukraine,”
I dont seem to recall that in the articles of impeachment you fat ass Son of a B.
So, fats, you already stuck your fat foot in your mouth.
Well, gee, they should have thought of that before they rammed through a phony impeachment.
I expect Senator Cruz to be point man during this circus.
If he uses his God given ability to make the complex way the commies try to present their case simple so they can be exposed and on display for everyone to see, I’ll forever forgive him for the Beck and Carly Fiorina stunts.
This is crunch time and those who profess to be Constitutional purists better step up to the plate and knock it out of the park.
Nadless and Schiff for brains are right, the senate is on trail here. They had better do the right thing and follow the law.
I do not wish or hope to but I will fight for our County our Constitution and Liberty if these guys don’t do there job properly.
We can end the speculation about Lindsey here shortly.
Time to support our Constitution and crush these traitors and seditionists.
If Schiff & Co. continue to try to hide the whistleblower's name, they can just subpoena Eric Ciaramella.
President Zelensky might be another good witness.
Bump for later.
They are still for sale!..............
Im still hoping that something comes out that is so bad against PigLousy, that she craps her pants so bad her teeth fall out
Why should we need any evidence? They never need any evidence to slander our side and our president. That never stops them.
We are blessed beyond measure that Cruz appears (for now) to be massively in Trump’s camp and all on board with literally everything we need to get done.
He was a bit critical of him in the last elections and wasn’t really all in until more recently.
It’s a good thing, absolutely.
Paul, I don’t trust him. I respect those who can hold strict Libertarian views, but we’ve got corruption and rot at the heart of our government. This impeachment shouldn’t be happening at all. Lending legitimacy to the process is very noble but that’s predicated on the process having not been utterly perverted in the first place.
Impeachment IS political. If it’s not strong enough to make both parties immediately “do what must be done” then it’s not worthy of impeachment and never should have been initiated.
I want to see an enterprising investigative journalist list SPOUSE names and places of employment for every member of the House, Senate, Judiciary, and members of the press corps.
The pillow talk in DC must be exposed. Crooks....
Cruz found out what New York politics is. Nasty and all that.
That campaign season did not shock me.
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