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Darwinians Excuse Out-of-Order Fossils
Creation Evolution Headlines ^ | 11-13-19 | David F. Coppedge

Posted on 11/15/2019 10:22:05 AM PST by fishtank

Darwinians Excuse Out-of-Order Fossils

November 13, 2019 | David F. Coppedge

Because Darwinism is built on philosophical naturalism, evidence can be moved around as needed.

Evolutionists never seem worried about out-of-place fossils. Why is that? The reason is that the philosophy of naturalism is the driving force that keeps Darwinism going. Darwinians think like this: (1) Naturalism must be our worldview. (2) Darwinism seems to be the best theory within naturalism. (3) If problems are found in Darwinism, there isn’t any competition, so we can just shuffle parts of the story around. This non-falsifiable strategy allows them to believe in the Popeye Theory of Evolution (17 Aug 2019), the Cambrian explosion, and any other rearrangement as long as naturalism is preserved. Even a Precambrian rabbit could probably be accommodated by a sufficiently talented just-so storyteller.

New fossil pushes back physical evidence of insect pollination to 99 million years ago (Indiana University at Bloomington). A fossil in amber has just doubled the evolutionary age of insect pollination.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: belongsinreligion; darwinismisareligion; fossils; notanewstopic; notasciencetopic
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To: NobleFree

(sighs) Do you even know what a molecular clock *is*...?


21 posted on 11/15/2019 11:47:40 AM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change with out notice.)
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To: bayliving

I’ll add you to the list.


22 posted on 11/15/2019 11:56:32 AM PST by Moonman62 (Charity comes from wealth.)
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To: grey_whiskers

In the middle-ages the church persecuted scientists for claiming the sun circled the earth. Maybe you should sharpen your pitchfork and burn some witches?

God made the world. It’s pretty arrogant to believe you know exactly how he did it...


23 posted on 11/15/2019 11:59:48 AM PST by MichaelRDanger
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To: Moonman62
That would be awesome! Thank you!😁
24 posted on 11/15/2019 12:01:13 PM PST by bayliving
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To: bayliving
I believe that as well. I do see variations in species that is easy to explain (longer billed birds of the same species in one area of the world do to breeding of the survivors that required a longer beak to feed after locating in a different area, longer denser fur on any mammal or any other adapted difference)I don't see any “missing link” fossils that show a critter change from one class to another though.
25 posted on 11/15/2019 12:14:13 PM PST by spudville
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To: fishtank

Bookmark


26 posted on 11/15/2019 12:22:06 PM PST by fproy2222
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To: grey_whiskers
Yes.

So a change in estimated times of speciations proves what, now?

27 posted on 11/15/2019 12:30:09 PM PST by NobleFree ("law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the right of an individual")
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To: fishtank

I believe in science and that scientific “facts” change and get updated all the time. Remember, science use to say the earth was flat, and they had scientific “facts” to back it up.


28 posted on 11/15/2019 12:34:47 PM PST by fproy2222
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To: fishtank

Are there bone/fossils ..timeline of sorts.. that prove giraffes once had much shorter necks..how about medium length necks?
I hear their necks are a result of evolution..so there must be proof this is the case?


29 posted on 11/15/2019 12:48:12 PM PST by Leep (It's.. (W)all or nothing..!)
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To: NobleFree
I didn't say it proved.

Rather, it tends to undercut the very basis of comparative molecular clocks on the time scales in questions. The underlying chemistry of RNA and DNA is independent of the environment; so the base rate of changes to the allele within each new generation can't change.

Which then means the previously alleged "Because it's SCIENCE!"TM (looks down over glasses at the questioner) description of the specific environmental changes to produce the observed changes in the allele between one species and the next,...all go out the window.

That's a broad brush, and there are significant additional considerations, but it's good enough to start with.

30 posted on 11/15/2019 12:49:15 PM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change with out notice.)
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To: Boogieman

In what way?


31 posted on 11/15/2019 12:56:50 PM PST by Balding_Eagle ( The Great Wall of Trump ---- 100% sealing of the border. Coming soon.)
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To: grey_whiskers
it tends to undercut the very basis of comparative molecular clocks on the time scales in question

That's significant - but hardly the undercutting of naturalism that the article insinuates.

32 posted on 11/15/2019 12:58:10 PM PST by NobleFree ("law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the right of an individual")
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To: Balding_Eagle

Well, here:

“We have some ‘ scientists’ who are not using the scientific method, therefore we shouldn’t believe any science.”

Who said “therefore we shouldn’t believe any science”? Not the original poster or the author of the article. You just invented that yourself as something convenient for you to argue against. That’s a strawman.


33 posted on 11/15/2019 1:05:30 PM PST by Boogieman
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To: spudville

How about Tiktaalik... sarcopterygian fish from the Devonian with limb anatomy analogous to amphibians and other tetrapods with limbs showing a one bone-two bone many bone structure encased in a fish fin.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiktaalik

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E8ttoKGxEKc


34 posted on 11/15/2019 1:05:39 PM PST by NYorkerInHouston
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To: Balding_Eagle
therefore

The article seems to be more about lampooning and insinuating than about drawing any well defined conclusions. Red meat for the creationist base, as it were.

35 posted on 11/15/2019 1:13:54 PM PST by NobleFree ("law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the right of an individual")
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To: NobleFree

Isn’t the main thrust of the article not to believe science?


36 posted on 11/15/2019 1:30:26 PM PST by Balding_Eagle ( The Great Wall of Trump ---- 100% sealing of the border. Coming soon.)
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To: Boogieman

I should be more specific, isn’t the main thrust of the article, and in many articles from the same source, don’t believe science in how things came to be?


37 posted on 11/15/2019 1:34:40 PM PST by Balding_Eagle ( The Great Wall of Trump ---- 100% sealing of the border. Coming soon.)
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To: NYorkerInHouston

No feet? Perhaps a species that lived in shallow water and went extinct. Any other steps in this species found with further changes? A different species of fish doesn’t prove that it continued to evolve into a land dwelling air breather. More scientific proof would be needed, correct? Perhaps it has yet to be discovered. Or do they just THEORIZE that this is an evolutionary step.


38 posted on 11/15/2019 2:15:45 PM PST by spudville
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To: spudville

Don’t know much about it but here is one critical look at Tiktaalikhttps://creation.com/images/pdfs/tj/j21_1/j21_1_53-57.pdf


39 posted on 11/15/2019 4:29:12 PM PST by daniel1212 ( Trust the risen Lord Jesus to save you as a damned and destitute sinner + be baptized + follow Him)
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To: MichaelRDanger; grey_whiskers

>>MichaelRDanger said: “In the middle-ages the church persecuted scientists for claiming the sun circled the earth. Maybe you should sharpen your pitchfork and burn some witches?

I believe it was the scientific establishment of the middle-ages that was persecuting other scientists, much like the scientific establishment of today.

Mr. Kalamata


40 posted on 11/15/2019 4:41:44 PM PST by Kalamata (BIBLE RESEARCH TOOLS: http://bibleresearchtools.com/)
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