Thoughts on the NPV [Vanity]

6/7/19 | self

[Lmo56]

Assuming the NPV were ever invoked, it would certainly end up before SCOTUS. In order to prevail at SCOTUS, NPV proponents would have to win four [possibly five] arguments:

1. That the NPV DID NOT violate the Interstate Compact Clause of the United States Constitution [Article I, Section X, Clause III].

2. That when a state legislature vests the right to vote for President in its people, the NPV DID NOT USURP the equal weight accorded to each vote and the equal dignity owed to each voter [Bush v. Gore, 2000].

3. That having once granted the right to vote on equal terms, the NPV DID NOT value one person's vote over that of another [Harper v. Virginia Bd. of Elections, 1966].

4. That once the franchise is granted to the electorate, the NPV DID NOT draw lines which are inconsistent with the Equal Protection Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment and that the right of suffrage WAS NOT denied by a debasement or dilution of the weight of a citizen’s vote just as effectively as by wholly prohibiting the free exercise of the franchise [Reynolds v. Sims, 1964].

5. IF SCOTUS were to rule that once the right to vote was granted to the citizens of a State, the votes were considered free speech, the NPV would have to prove it DID NOT violate the 1st Amendment.

[Chewbarkah]

I think that is related to a very important legal argument. Since multiple states do little or nothing to control their voter rolls, the result of any “popular vote” tally will necessarily include an unknowable number of illegal votes and duplicate votes, and thus be illegitimate. That is the stake in the heart of this Democrat scheme to thwart democracy. They know it will not stand up to legal scrutiny; it is an “insurance policy” to legitimize the real winner.

[Lmo56]

“The states can award the electoral votes in their states anyway they want.”

That is the operative phrase. BUT, the operative QUESTION is whether states can allow outside influences [such as other state’s votes] determine the award of their electoral college votes.

BECAUSE, in doing so the state’s dilute and debase their own citizens votes.

[Petrosius]

Constitutionally, a state can chose its electors any way they wish. What they cannot do is mandate how they vote.

[Pearls Before Swine]

It’s a modern tragedy that we know it (NPV) is wrong, know a number of reasons why it is wrong and contrary to the spirit and best interests of the country, but can’t easily come up with a dead-nuts legal argument because the law is so complicated and built upon increasingly fine hair-splitting interpretation of precedent. And, those interpretations depend on a relatively small number of judges sworn to be impartial, whereas in fact, many of them are biased and political.

[deport]

No Par Value
Negative Predictive Value
Non-Photosynthetic Vegetation
Net Player Value
Negative Pressure Ventilation
Nuclear Polyhedrosis Virus

and ?

[Red Badger]

No Particular Viewpoint................

[Two Kids' Dad]

Nipple-Piercing Vegans?

Nasty Protractor Ventilations?

Neon Panama Vacations?

[Cobra64]

What the hell is an NPV?

[Boogieman]

National Poet Velociraptor

[deport]

The National Popular Vote bill will take effect when enacted into law by states
possessing 270 electoral votes (a majority of the 538 electoral votes). It has
been enacted into law in 15 jurisdictions possessing 189 electoral votes,
including 5 small jurisdictions (DC, DE, HI, RI, VT), 6 medium-sized
states (CO, CT, MD, MA, NM, WA), and 4 big states (CA, IL, NJ, NY).

The bill will take effect when enacted by states possessing an additional
81 electoral votes.

The National Popular Vote bill has now passed a total of 40 state legislative
chambers in 24 states. It has also passed at least one legislative chamber
in 9 states possessing 82 electoral votes (AR, AZ, ME, MI, MN, NC, NV, OK, OR).
It has been unanimously approved at the committee level in 2 states possessing
27 more electoral votes (GA, MO). The National Popular Vote bill has been
introduced in various years in all 50 states.

On the map below, each square represents one electoral vote (out of 538).

Click for above info

[Two Kids' Dad]

The logical solution for the national popular vote argument is that there must be an agreed-upon national standard to determine eligibility for a vote to be counted, to avoid disenfranchisement and protect the integrity of our elections. That would be fought by both sides and the NPV movement would wither on the vine as a result.

[Cobra64]

Nope. It means the OP has No Present Value.

[scrabblehack]

What about this clause?

Representatives shall be apportioned among the several States according to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in each State, excluding Indians not taxed. But when the right to vote at any election for the choice of electors for President and Vice-President of the United States, Representatives in Congress, the Executive and Judicial officers of a State, or the members of the Legislature thereof, is denied to any of the male inhabitants of such State, being twenty-one years of age, and citizens of the United States, or in any way abridged, except for participation in rebellion, or other crime, the basis of representation therein shall be reduced in the proportion which the number of such male citizens shall bear to the whole number of male citizens twenty-one years of age in such State.

[Leaning Right]

> The states can award the electoral votes in their states anyway they want. <

Well, maybe they can’t go that far. But in general, you’re right.

And as you pointed out, the word “compact” isn’t even in the bill. So it cannot be challenged on the basis that states cannot enter into compacts with each other.

So I see nothing unconstitutional about this National Popular Vote thing. No one loses their vote. All votes are still counted. But instead of being added to a state total, votes are added to a national total.

Nevertheless, it is an appallingly stupid and destructive idea. So naturally the left loves it.

[Zman]

I have always advocated for a method of awarding electoral votes halfway between NPV and the electoral college; closer to reflecting the will of all the people and not automatically winner take all: by county. 3,242 counties in the US.

CA would not longer be automatically 55 EV for the libs, as the Inland Empire and Orange County would be finally be accounted for and truly represented. The large metropolitan centers in the largest states would not necessarily be dominant and lesser populated areas of states completely discounted.

[ConservativeMind]

Yes, it is!!! LOL!

[deport]

That may could become a weekly fun thread etc.

Select a set of letters for some nationally known
group, organization and then make up other names
using that set of letters.

[Red Badger]

FBI - Federal Bungling Idiots..................

[deport]

There you go....... LOL

[Chewbarkah]

I don’t object to a State selecting electors by a proportion of the State’s own vote. Your county concept is interesting (especially when you look at a county by county election results map), but it seems to bring up some complex issues, including how to apportion a State’s electors among its counties. Though the Dems would never allow a system that disfavors their interests, the Republicans would be wise to start passing countermeasures in Republican states, as a way to force them to trot out arguments against change.