Posted on 02/10/2019 6:37:02 PM PST by NoLibZone
"Just 90 miles from here in 1619, the first indentured servants from Africa landed on our shores in Ole Point Comfort," Northam said
Embattled Virginia Governor, Ralph Northam (D-VA), referred to people that came to America as slaves from Africa as “indentured servants from Africa” during an interview with CBS News’ Gayle King on Sunday.
Northam sat down with King for his first interview since the Virginian-Pilot published a photo from Northam’s medical school yearbook showing “two men, one in blackface and one in a Ku Klux Klan robe and hood, on the same page as the governor.”
King asked Northam where he would like to begin, pointing out that it had been a difficult week for the people of Virginia.
“Well, it has been a difficult week, and you know if you look at Virginia’s history, we’re now at the 400-year anniversary. Just 90 miles from here in 1619, the first indentured servants from Africa landed on our shores in Ole Point Comfort, what we call now Fort Monroe,” Northam said
“Also known as slavery,” King interjected.
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Funny.
"In Ripon, Wisconsin, former members of the Whig Party meet to establish a new party to oppose the spread of slavery into the western territories. The Whig Party, which was formed in 1834 to oppose the “tyranny” of President Andrew Jackson, had shown itself incapable of coping with the national crisis over slavery.
"With the successful introduction of the Kansas-Nebraska Bill of 1854, an act that dissolved the terms of the Missouri Compromise and allowed slave or free status to be decided in the territories by popular sovereignty, the Whigs disintegrated. By February 1854, anti-slavery Whigs had begun meeting in the upper midwestern states to discuss the formation of a new party. One such meeting, in Wisconsin on March 20, 1854, is generally remembered as the founding meeting of the Republican Party."
https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/republican-party-founded
"The Republican Party began as a coalition of anti-slavery Conscience Whigs such as Zachariah Chandler and Free Soil Democrats such as Salmon P. Chase"
"The Republicans absorbed the previous traditions of its members, most of whom had been Whigs"
"Most Whig Party leaders eventually quit politics (as Abraham Lincoln did temporarily) or changed parties. The Northern voter base mostly gravitated to the new Republican Party."
"During the Lincoln Administration (1861–1865), ex Whigs dominated the Republican Party and enacted much of their American System. "
"Presidents Abraham Lincoln, Rutherford B. Hayes, Chester A. Arthur and Benjamin Harrison were Whigs before switching to the Republican Party, from which they were elected to office"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_United_States_Republican_Party#cite_ref-3
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whig_Party_(United_States)#Legacy
Two of a kind.
At least that meaningless statement was succinct.
The Angola perspective is irrelevant to the laws of Jamestown in 1619. What counted for the Africans is how Virginia colonial law saw them, and until 1655 and the Casor decision there was no chattel slavery in Virginia.
“They also weren’t the first blacks to be forcibly brought to this country, or to virginia.”
And your source for that is?
Oh I’m sure you understand the meaning.
“There is nothing that even remotely links either of these men to the Republican Party.”
I never said that there was. I said that there had been Whigs in the South. Reading comprehension. Thanks for playing.
There was no meaning to be understood. Just as your straw man arguments have no meaning.
Oh, undoubtedly! They certainly must have been most concerned with the documents of indentured servitude and Virginia law not the fact that they had been spirited away against their will. Although they most likely didn't actually sign any documents, a concept they probably had no understanding of. Nor of European-style contract law, nor the English language or any other European language.
No, it was the law and the documents someone else signed for them and gave to their owners and the laws behind those incomprehensible concepts, entirely foreign to them and unexplained to them, that meant the most. Not being kidnapped and forced to labor under the whip and at the point of a gun.
I'm beginning to understand what you're really trying to defend here. It's your complete lack of a moral compass supplanted by your reliance on pseudo intellectualism. At least it's not the defense of a Democrat who is shooting himself in the foot that you're working for, so you've got that going for you!
Not to interrupt a dog pile, but we did have indentured servants early in American history. They were not the same as slaves.
What you describe for slaves came later.
The first Africans brought were as indentured servants, bought from other Africans who had captured them as war-booty. They were literate Christians, with specific obligations that went both ways.
The slavery began later in the 17th century, and it took a while store the industrial shipment of slaves was developed.
Sorry Stan Freberg...
"Believe you me, I couldn't break through the sound barrier every morning if I didn't start off my day with a stomach....
....full of Puffed Grass."
Ah!
You must be a MARRIED man.
Likewise; our umpteenth president; whose picture is on the $100 bill; is credited with saying:
"Do not believe everything you read on the Internet."
I thought the correct term was “Bag of Hammers”?
Proverbs 31:6-7 NIV
Let beer be for those who are perishing, wine for those who are in anguish!
Initially, they were indentured servants, with a limited period of servitude. So were many Irish immigrants during the potato famine. But at some point between 1619 and the Revolution, that indentured servitude became lifetime enslavement, first as a criminal penalty, then, for blacks, ab initio, as the pretense of due process eroded, and racial bias insinuated itself.
Even then, compared to the Caribbean islands’ slavery practices, the 13 colonies were relatively humane. In Jamaica and other islands, the demand for freshly imported slaves was insatiable, because the slaves already there were routinely and quickly worked to death on short rations, thereby failing to breed a replacement population. In the 13 colonies, the work was not so rigorous, the rations more plentiful, and the colonists determined to breed their own slaves, so as to lose their dependency on the African slave trade.
This isn’t to say that the mainland institution of slavery was what we would nowadays deem humane, just that it was, despite its many faults, an improvement over the Caribbean practices, which were utterly indefensible.
And wine that maketh glad the heart of man, and oil to make his face to shine, and bread which strengtheneth man's heart.
I have been in love with one woman since 1973 and happily married to her since 1975. I thank God for her always.
I know you were being gently humorous.
I am allowed as a man to make some comments at home.
Outside I am not allowed to have freedom of speech because this is America and I am a man.
As someone on talk radio said recently: We have freedom of speech if you accept losing your job for it.
Speaking in favor of supporting President Trump or wearing a MAGA hat in public is strongly restricted and proof of there being no freedom of speech. Physical beatings by Antifa and other Dem thugs is not evidence of free speech by the victim. People who comment on TV and radio and lose sponsors and stations and eventually their platforms on the internet for their opinions (not for slander) are at least not beaten up.
Once long ago we could praise King George and the British troops running our colonies for us. Free speech. Tom Paine,Samuel Adams,Patrick Henry and others who spoke against British rule were threatened with hanging, menaced by gangs of British soldiers and put on notice to shut up. Not so free speech.
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You are correct that the first Africans WERE indentured servants and at least one of the first actual slaveowners was an African immigrant who took out the years of service part in the contract and made his African workers serve for life. Perhaps the Governor had heard this in some Virginia History class and remembered it. Unfortunately there are few students of history anymore.
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