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The Cops Were the Aggressors in This Week's Deadly Houston Drug Raid
Reason ^ | 1-29-19 | Jacob Sullum

Posted on 01/31/2019 8:38:46 AM PST by slumber1

On Monday evening in Houston, a dozen armed men broke into the home of Dennis Tuttle and Rhogena Nicholas, a middle-aged couple who had lived in the house at 7815 Harding Street for at least two decades. The first man through the door, who was armed with a shotgun, used it to kill one of the couple's dogs. Tuttle responded to the home invasion by grabbing a revolver and shooting the man with the shotgun, who collapsed on a sofa in the living room. As Nicholas tried to disarm the intruder, his accomplices shot her. Tuttle returned fire, and by the end of the shootout he and his wife were both dead. Four of the assailants were hit by gunfire, while a fifth injured his knee.

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To: MileHi
The officers lied to get a warrant and deserve to be punished for that.

Prove the pit bull wasn't turned loose on the officers. You weren't there.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/29/us/houston-shooting.html

Houston Narcotics Officers Were Greeted by a Charging Dog and a Barrage of Bullets

261 posted on 06/01/2019 10:05:48 PM PDT by Kazan
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To: Kazan
Houston Narcotics Officers Were Greeted by a Charging Dog and a Barrage of Bullets

There was no "Barrage of Bullets", they lied. Why would anyone believe them about the dog?

262 posted on 06/02/2019 6:52:40 AM PDT by MileHi (Liberalism is an ideology of parasites, hypocrites, grievance mongers, victims, and control freaks.)
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To: MileHi
The police were shot at without provocation. If they weren't and killed two people, there would have been murder charges.

Give it up.

And, even though. the police in question were both incompetent and lied to get a warrant, police officers in general have a right to defend themselves. You apparently want to strop that right away.

263 posted on 06/02/2019 7:30:21 AM PDT by Kazan
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To: Kazan
Neither of the deceased had gunshot residue. No firearms were listed in the evidence. It didn't happen.

... police officers in general have a right to defend themselves. You apparently want to strop that right away.

You make it a habit to be wrong it seems.

264 posted on 06/02/2019 7:52:56 AM PDT by MileHi (Liberalism is an ideology of parasites, hypocrites, grievance mongers, victims, and control freaks.)
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To: MileHi
Neither of the deceased had gunshot residue.

Five of the officers were shot. And, it wasn't friendly fire or that would have been reported.

Quit while you're behind.

265 posted on 06/03/2019 12:55:34 PM PDT by Kazan
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To: Kazan

You are unbelievable. The fact that you can’t see the cops acted wrong in this is beyond belief. My best friend is a 20 year LEO. We were military buds before he retired in 2000. He is furious over this. We live in the Houston area and his jurisdiction has dealings with HPD (he’s in Galveston county). It’s a bad deal. The cops were wrong. It’s very clear. It’s crap like this that puts people like my friend in danger.


266 posted on 06/03/2019 1:09:47 PM PDT by NELSON111 (Congress: The Ralph Wolf and Sam Sheepdog show. Theater for sheep. My politics determines my "hero")
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To: Kazan
So-here’s he scenario: the cops lie about a reason to break into YOUR home. You wake up out of a dead sleep. Your dog is going nuts and you grab your gun. Next thing you know-you’re dead. That’s self-defense because even though you didn’t have the drugs they were there for in the first place (because they lied)-they had every right to defend themselves against you-who is just defending himself against God knows what at 0-dark thirty.

. So-in essence, you are basically saying you, the homeowner have zero right to self defense because all someone has to do is say they are the cops when they break down your door. Now-keep in mind your sound asleep and it’s dark. That doesn’t matter. Your supposed to know all of that.

And the FACT that faulty and FALSE information put the police officers into the position to shoot you while you defended yourself against an unknown intruder should have no bearing?

That’s America to you? That’s what you think we are? Take that crap to some third world dictatorship. That’s not who we are. If someone lies or falsified information and it gets people through my door and people get hurt or killed because of it-I don’t care if it’s self defense or not-that demands justice. It doesn’t demand a cover up.

267 posted on 06/03/2019 1:19:56 PM PDT by NELSON111 (Congress: The Ralph Wolf and Sam Sheepdog show. Theater for sheep. My politics determines my "hero")
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To: Kazan
Five of the officers were shot. And, it wasn't friendly fire or that would have been reported.

As I recall, four were shot and one blew out his knee or something. And who would have reported it was friendly fire? The police? We know they lied, including the chief.

Show me a link to who exactly shot each officer with what weapon. Because you don't know what you're talking about. Being nasty doesn't make your point.

Talk about quit while you're behind. Take your own advice.

BTW, you still didn't answer the question. Hillary has not been charged with any felonies. Does that prove she didn't commit any? You won't answer because it would put the lie to your whole lame ass argument.

268 posted on 06/03/2019 1:25:52 PM PDT by MileHi (Liberalism is an ideology of parasites, hypocrites, grievance mongers, victims, and control freaks.)
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To: MileHi
You're pigheaded idiot. You can't swallow your pride and admit you're wrong. You are.

The police in this situation did not shoot themselves in order to murder the couple. If you believe that, you're a kook.

269 posted on 06/03/2019 4:38:00 PM PDT by Kazan
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To: Kazan

In other words, you can’t defend your argument, because it is indefensible, so you just post insults.

You still won’t answer the question, because you can’t without admitting you’re a fool, or worse.

Thanks for conceding my point.


270 posted on 06/03/2019 7:07:48 PM PDT by MileHi (Liberalism is an ideology of parasites, hypocrites, grievance mongers, victims, and control freaks.)
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To: Kazan
The police in this situation did not shoot themselves in order to murder the couple

BTW, braintrust, I never said that. They shot each other and the two homeowners. Probably one cop through the door discharged a weapon and the rest just opened up. Happens when gearqueers aren't trained and disciplined. And when the whole operation is conceived by liars. It's called a cluster **ck.

271 posted on 06/03/2019 7:30:30 PM PDT by MileHi (Liberalism is an ideology of parasites, hypocrites, grievance mongers, victims, and control freaks.)
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To: Kazan; wgmalabama
Unless, there are police officers charged with murder, the killings were act of self-defense AND I WAS RIGHT.

Welp.

This didn't age well...

272 posted on 08/23/2019 1:22:50 PM PDT by kiryandil (The Media & the DNC tells you who you're gonna vote for. We CHOSE Trump.)
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To: kiryandil
It aged very well actually. Notice the qualifier in my comments.

If I were you, I wouldn't be gloating unless the police officer is actually convicted. We still have a concept in our legal system called innocent until proven guilty.

273 posted on 08/23/2019 1:37:25 PM PDT by Kazan
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To: Kazan
You were doing pretty good with the rebuttal until you decided to wrap your tongue around the jackboot leather:

If I were you, I wouldn't be gloating unless the police officer is actually convicted. We still have a concept in our legal system called innocent until proven guilty.

I'll note that the innocent couple was pronounced guilty and murdered by a couple of dirty judge/jury/executioner cops...

274 posted on 08/23/2019 2:16:21 PM PDT by kiryandil (The Media & the DNC tells you who you're gonna vote for. We CHOSE Trump.)
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To: Kazan
The police officers have not been charged with murder and likely won't be. So stop accusing them of murder.

The issue was whether they acted in self-defense. They did. No charges have been filed. You said they didn't. You lose

I guess they didn't. The cops were shot by cops. And they lied. And murdered two people.

275 posted on 08/23/2019 2:24:00 PM PDT by MileHi (Liberalism is an ideology of parasites, hypocrites, grievance mongers, victims, and control freaks.)
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To: Kazan
But, you're desperately trying to change the subject because you've gotten your ass handed to you in this discussion.

Care to revise and extend your remarks?

276 posted on 08/23/2019 2:25:39 PM PDT by MileHi (Liberalism is an ideology of parasites, hypocrites, grievance mongers, victims, and control freaks.)
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To: slumber1

re: “ House had no video surveillance cameras”

BUT for the cost of cheap ‘game’ camera ...


277 posted on 08/23/2019 2:27:53 PM PDT by _Jim (Save babies)
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To: Red Badger

re: “So were they drug dealers or not?...............”

REASON (mag) isn’t going to tell you that (at least not early on).


278 posted on 08/23/2019 2:28:47 PM PDT by _Jim (Save babies)
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To: slumber1

Is it a raid inherently aggressive...


279 posted on 08/23/2019 2:29:57 PM PDT by northislander
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To: _Jim

I don’t think so, Tim...............


280 posted on 08/23/2019 2:33:43 PM PDT by Red Badger (Against stupidity the gods themselves contend in vain......................)
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