Posted on 07/26/2018 11:00:36 AM PDT by wildbill
On a chilly winter day in 1929, Halil Edhem, the Director of Turkey's National Museum, was hunched over his solitary task of classifying documents. He pulled towards him a map drawn on Roe deer skin. As Halil opened the chart to its full dimensions (two feet by three feet wide or 60 X 90 cm) he was surprised by how much of the New World was depicted on a map which dated from 1513.
The document was the legacy of a pirate turned Turkish Admiral, Piri Reis ( circa 1470-1554). He was born in Gallipoli, a naval base on the Marmara Sea and was the nephew of Kemal Reis, a pirate who had reinvented himself as a Turkish Admiral adventurer who had made his name in naval warfare. At the time, the distinction between pirate and Admiral was more flexible than might be expected from looking back through a Hollywood lens.
(Excerpt) Read more at ancient-origins.net ...
“They don’t exhibit any knowledge of stuff that post dates it.”
Uh, how about the coast line of Antarctica? Wasn’t it buried under a mile of ice?
A bit more googling reveals a fairly devastating review of this theory:
Although the Piri Reis Map mentions the existence of various
source maps, there a complete lack of any evidence for the
correctness of boundaries and grids of the alleged source
maps drawn by Hapgood (1966, 1979). The reconstructed
“source maps” are assumed to be accurate because they
eliminated many of the errors present in the uncorrected
Piri Reis Map. However, there is no proof whether these
errors were in the alleged original “source maps” or created
during compilation. Dr. Hapgood reasoned that because
the hypothetical grids and “source maps” of his can
remove the errors proves these maps are accurate and,
since they are accurate, that proves that the error was created
by copying and compilation of the Piri Reis Map and not in
the source maps from which it was made. Thus, one is the
proof of the other without any other independent evidence
including not even one of the alleged “source maps” from
which the Piri Reis Map was compiled. As a result, the
alleged accuracy of the Piri Reis Map could just
be the result of the assumptions made by Dr. Hapgood
as to the source of the errors in the existing map.
...
Since 1949 and 1966, Drewry (1982) compiled the available
data obtained from seismic surveys and radio echo soundings
into what still considered the most comprehensive mapping
that has ever been published. A comparison of the portion
of the Piri Reis map, which they claim to be Antarctica, with
a both more recent subglacial bedrock topography map
(Drewry 1982, sheet 3) and a bedrock surface map isostatically
adjusted for glacial rebound (Drewry 1982, sheet 6) showed
a distinct lack of any striking similarities their coastlines and
that of the Piri Reis Map. The lack of correspondence between
the Piri Reis Map and an ice-free Antarctica is not surprising
given the evidence presented by Linde (1980) that the source
maps for the other parts of the Piri Reis Map are of no great
antiquity.
http://www.intersurf.com/~chalcedony/FOG9.html
Wow. Who knew SUVs were around back then.
Ok I read the article. Didn’t see anything from ancient Egypt. Saw about the Piri Ries Map. It’s only 500+ years old. 3000+ years ago, the Phoenicians sailed around Africa at the Egyptians request...that would be an ancient Egyptian story. Egypt was 1,500 years old at that point, but, I digress.
Piri Reis was just showing what the Portuguese knew. They had discovered South American before Columbus, but, didn’t share that knowledge. There is some suggestion that Columbus may have even gone there with the Portuguese. It’s not surprising there would be a map of the South American coast. It’s not a map of Antarctica.
Just imagine the worse possible weather this planet can throw at you. We are 70 % ocean. Only terristrial structures that could survive the worse weather possible are stone pyramids. And of course artifacts left on other planets. My guess is about the time us apes figure it all out, it is far far too late. You are either building Ark’s or you are dead at this point in time.
Good to be skeptical!
There needs to be of it on FR.
Antarctica costal area was ice free 14,000,000 BC
I bought one just like it from this guy in Astoria Oregon named Chester Copperpot.
Actually Gobekli Tepe dates from 12,000 BC. If you don’t know about this huge megalithic complex, look it up. The find has shaken conventional archaeological theories on the origins of civilization. There is also the whole 1 mile diameter meteor strike theory that ended the ice age and a strike second that began the Younger Dryas (even colder than the Ice Age). Search for the Carolina Bays for more details
All of this adds up to a world wide catastrophe which would have destroyed a prior civilization, a civilization which built in stone and the remains are known as megalithic structures - found all over the world.
I’m not sure if I am getting the full appreciation of your comment. Is there a meaning that I’m just not pulling together here? You may be right on target, but I suspect you’ve got something a little off kilter in mind here that I am missing.
Hapgood’s theories have been debunked. This map does not depict subglacial Antarctica.
Hapgood’s theories have been debunked. This map does not depict subglacial Antarctica.
The book "Maps of the Ancient Sea Kings" by Charles Hapgood was the main source for article author Rand Ath (formerly Rand Flem-Ath), who with his (ex-?) wife coauthored a book which claimed that Plato's Atlantis was in Antarctica. One useful piece of information from the book (I found it useful anyway) was that fossils of beech trees dating back a mere three million years were found in Antarctica -- yet the continent was supposed to have been under ice for thirty million years. That's one of the two bits of research (even I consider these authors "fringe", but I consider myself in that category, not a bad place to be) that put me onto something that will make it into my book, y'know, I'll finish it in the last months of my life, like Copernicus or Hiram Ulysses Grant.
Piri Reis attributed the source maps to ancient sources, some as old as Alexander the Great. While there is evidence of maps about that old (a map of the Roman Empire, including an Erythraean Sea map), anything specific he mentions no longer exists. This is unsurprising, and their failure to survive doesn't mean that they'd never existed.
Herodotus' account of the Phoenician circumnavigation of Africa (clockwise, starting at the Red Sea, under the auspices of the Pharaoh of Egypt) includes the curious detail of "shoals" that only existed in the far south, while approaching, rounding, and departing from what we now call the Cape of Good Hope. That could describe icebergs. Herodotus' work is useful in part because, usually, he repeats what he's heard even if he does so with a proviso that he didn't find it believable -- in this context, he mentions that the Phoenicians, as they headed west in order to turn north along the west coast of Africa, had the Sun on their right, which is exactly what they should have seen, knowing what we know now. Herodotus understood that the Indian Ocean and Atlantic were all part of the world ocean, but doesn't seem to have understood that the Earth is a globe, or at least doesn't seem to have thought about the ramifications of the idea.
Archival post about some of this.
Thanks fieldmarshaldj.
Rand Flem-Ath is a Canadian writer, librarian and independent scholar. He has co-authored several books with his wife, writer, Rose Flem-Ath. She is a novelist and two-time winner of the Canada Council grant for Fiction. They live in British Columbia, Canada. In 1995, Rand and Rose published the book ‘ When the Sky Fell: In Search of Atlantis ’, and in 2012 they co-authored ‘ Atlantis Beneath the Ice ’, which updated and expanded the seventeen years of research found in When the Sky Fell.
Canada Council Grant...is that the same as a Home Owners Association Book Club Award? ;>)
You don’t have to be south of the equator to have the sun on your right when sailing west—in the summer someone sailing went between the equator and the Tropic of Cancer (for example, between India and the Red Sea) would have the sun on his right.
In the winter, no so much.
So how was knowledge of an Antarctica warm enough for beech trees supposedly handed down from 3 million years ago to Plato? Australopithecines to Homo erectus to Homo neanderthalensis to Cro-Magnon Man to Proto-Indo-Europeans to Bronze Age Greeks to Iron Age Greeks to Archaic Greeks to Classical Greeks...and only Plato bothered to write anything about it?
I never said it was handed down from 3 million years ago. I don't subscribe to the idea that Antarctica was the real Atlantis. As Plato was the only ancient source for the story, attributing it to an unnamed Egyptian source, via Solon, via another member of Socrates' circle, I see Timaeus and Critias as transitional philosophical exercises originating with Plato, but perhaps rooted in old lore.
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