Posted on 05/21/2018 7:35:39 AM PDT by mandaladon
Pope Francis has reportedly told a gay man that "God made you that way and loves you as you are," apparently pushing the pontiff's acceptance of homosexuality to a new level.
Francis made the comments to Juan Carlos Cruz, a Chilean victim of priestly sexual abuse who recently spent days with the pope at the Vatican to discuss his ordeal as the pontiff moves to tackle decades of coverups and ostracism of victims in the Chilean church, according to the Spanish newspaper El Pais.
Cruz was quoted as having discussed his homosexuality with Francis. "He told me: 'Juan Carlos, I don't care about you being gay. God made you that way and loves you as you are and I don't mind. The pope loves you as you are, you have to be happy with who you are.' "
A spokesman at the Vatican on Sunday declined to confirm or deny Francis' comments, stating, "We don't normally comment on the pope's private conversations."
In 2013, Francis famously said, "If someone is gay and seeks the Lord with goodwill, who am I to judge?" when asked for his views on homosexuality, signaling a sea change in Catholic views on sexual orientation.
That year he also told an interviewer, "A person once asked me, in a provocative manner, if I approved of homosexuality," adding, "I replied with another question: 'Tell me: When God looks at a gay person, does he endorse the existence of this person with love, or reject and condemn this person?' "
His reported remarks based on Cruz's account go further, however, by suggesting he believes people are created gay by God — a position likely to anger Catholic conservatives.
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Interesting. Could you add a bit to that.
I don't think G-d loves a sexual predator......
So the Pope just endorsed pedophilia, rape, and “grooming”?
The Holy See.
You may ask, as others have, how can I have a moral grounding without god. Simple. Like all humans, I have emotions including: compassion, sympathy, empathy, love. I also have the emotions: hate, envy, jealousy, etc. I decided long ago to conduct my life with the positive emotions and try to ignore the negative emotions. I wish all humanity would do the same, but they don't.
I don't know if a deist designed those emotions for his gratification, or if they evolved according to Darwin.
I've lived my life by the axiom: Do unto others as you would have them do unto you. Seems to me the best way to live a life and minimize conflict.
Last thought: While I try to be a good person with others, I don't rule my life by emotion. I use logic, reasoning, and informed decisions to make my political decisions.
I guess we are getting closer.
Revelation 2:18+
18 “And to the [a]angel of the church in Thyatira write,
‘These things says the Son of God, who has eyes like a flame of fire, and His feet like fine brass: 19 “I know your works, love, [b]service, faith, and your [c]patience; and as for your works, the last are more than the first. 20 Nevertheless I have [d]a few things against you, because you allow [e]that woman Jezebel, who calls herself a prophetess, [f]to teach and seduce My servants to commit sexual immorality and eat things sacrificed to idols. 21 And I gave her time to [g]repent of her sexual immorality, and she did not repent. 22 Indeed I will cast her into a sickbed, and those who commit adultery with her into great tribulation, unless they repent of [h]their deeds. 23 I will kill her children with death, and all the churches shall know that I am He who searches[i] the minds and hearts. And I will give to each one of you according to your works.
So what should the Pope have said? God hates you because you are gay?
In Revelation he is called the False Prophet. He will be the side kick of the Beast.
The Pope is fallible?
You mean like this?
"And I am convinced that nothing can ever separate us from God’s love. Neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither our fears for today nor our worries about tomorrow—not even the powers of hell can separate us from God’s love. No power in the sky above or in the earth below—indeed, nothing in all creation will ever be able to separate us from the love of God that is revealed in Christ Jesus our Lord." Romans 8:38-39
What did the Pope say? Did he say homosexuality was not a sin? No. He said that God loved the man for who he was. That God's love is unconditional. That's exactly what my Bible teaches. Does your Bible teach that the Pope should have told the man that God hates him?
Hair splitting. The mechanics of “brain wiring”, or synaptic pathways, are technically physical, but not pre-determined. A person can be delusional or mentally ill without having a physical brain disorder. Behavior is learned and ultimately by choice. To claim otherwise is to say that free will doesn’t exist. That we’re all just leaves blowing on the wind and unable to determine our own fate.
I don’t believe the pope said that at all, I am not catholic. If he did say it he’s wrong, but I can almost guarantee he didn’t say it and it’s a nothing story other than a hit piece.
Normal genuine sexual intercourse in normal genuine man-woman marriage is pure, virtuous and chaste.
| 2357 Homosexuality refers to relations between men or between women who experience an exclusive or predominant sexual attraction toward persons of the same sex. It has taken a great variety of forms through the centuries and in different cultures. Its psychological genesis remains largely unexplained. Basing itself on Sacred Scripture, which presents homosexual acts as acts of grave depravity, tradition has always declared that "homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered." They are contrary to the natural law. They close the sexual act to the gift of life. They do not proceed from a genuine affective and sexual complementarity. Under no circumstances can they be approved. |
We are way past the point where anything that Francis says can be considered any type of permanent church doctrine. He is constantly throwing his personal liberal/communist opinions out there under the authority of the Pope. The next Pope is going to have a mess to clean up after this dope.
Recommend you start with Romans 1 and work your way up to that chapter. Context is your key to properly understanding the New Testament.
It’s not what he said but was left unsaid. God loves him, but the sin will still separate him. Unless he told this lost soul to repent and leave his sinful lifestyle, than he did him a great disservice. Churches as a whole have been real good at proclaiming God’s love, which isn’t a bad thing, but we tiptoe around the whole be transformed and leave the sinful past behind.
Store announcer:
“Clean up in all isles.”
Thank God for Luther!
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