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Self-driving vehicles.... dangerous?
freerepublic.com ^ | 03/20/2018 | self

Posted on 03/20/2018 6:32:48 AM PDT by a little elbow grease

Now that an Arizona woman was killed after being struck by a self-driving Uber vehicle many questions come to mind not that they shouldn’t.

We live in Pittsburgh, lots of hills, and lots of snow and ice.

There are times when we have difficulty controlling a car in those conditions (our weather forecast is for 6 inches of snow later today and tonight).

A couple months ago my wife, after driving to and from work in terrible road conditions, wondered how a self-driving car would handle it. What do you think of these self-driving cars navigating snow and ice?


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To: a little elbow grease

“There are times when we have difficulty controlling a car in those conditions (our weather forecast is for 6 inches of snow later today and tonight).”

I suspect that the “self-driving vehicle” will say “I’m not going out in this,” which is what the idiots we see on the news sliding into each other on the icy roadways. My new car actually tells me when the road is likely to be frozen with a warning.


21 posted on 03/20/2018 6:50:55 AM PDT by vette6387
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To: BuffaloJack

How can it obey that rule if it can’t differentiate between a human being and a sack of potatoes?


22 posted on 03/20/2018 6:51:24 AM PDT by infool7 (Observe, Orient, Pray, Decide, Act!(it's an OOPDA loop))
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To: csvset
LOL Ban automatic transmissions ! That would greatly reduce the number of numbskulls out on the road.
ban steering wheels. problem solved.
23 posted on 03/20/2018 6:52:58 AM PDT by JohnBrowdie
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To: JohnBrowdie
There's a simple reason why these "driverless cars" get so little support here.

Freepers tend to support public policies that hold people accountable and treat them like responsible adults instead of making everyone meet standards that are established to accommodate the sizeable portion of our population that is incompetent or retarded.

Imagine that.

You'll probably find almost zero support on FR for the development of robots to take school exams for children ... for the same reason I described above.

24 posted on 03/20/2018 6:55:35 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("I saw a werewolf drinking a pina colada at Trader Vic's.")
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To: Alberta's Child

I believe that insurance companies will doom the self driving car! I wonder who is liable for the death of the woman who got run over! The Car?


25 posted on 03/20/2018 6:55:51 AM PDT by gr8eman (Since God has been banished from our classrooms, Satan has filled the void.)
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To: csvset

I mentioned having the road test on auto transmission years ago and got flamed for it. Be careful.


26 posted on 03/20/2018 6:56:04 AM PDT by Bitman
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To: a little elbow grease

The systems for self-driving cars will become as frequently hacked as our “connected” companies are. And the hackers WILL connect up with those who create computer viruses. Then they’ll pick a target “driverless” system and its information network, wait for a terribly busy day on an urban stretch of some Interstate, and launch - taking mayhem control of thousands of cars simultaneously & shutting out the operators from control of the vehicles. Hundred-car multicar accidents on the same stretch of road at the same time.

The insurance companies will scream - “shut em down”.


27 posted on 03/20/2018 6:56:09 AM PDT by Wuli
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To: JohnBrowdie

>>could a computer really do a worse job than the vast majority of the people you see around you? no, I thought not.

Yes, a computer could do worse. Unless, of course, you took away peoples freedom to drive a car. Then, all the cars could get in a well-ordered line and wait their turn. We could get where we are going in a very average period of time with no benefits to accumulating skills or learning to work traffic efficiently.

So, the computer wins as long as we are content to trudge forward, in good order, as expected of us by our betters.

After all, no one REALLY needs to drive their own car. It’s not like the Founding Fathers envisioned a day when sedans would have 300 horsepower! Operating your own vehicle has no legitimate transportation purpose.


28 posted on 03/20/2018 6:56:10 AM PDT by Bryanw92 (Asking a pro athlete for political advice is like asking a cavalry horse for tactical advice.)
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To: a little elbow grease
What's "snow and ice"?

I am only familiar with the global warming in the Arizona desert and rural Florida, where I have homes.

Don't see no uber driverless vehicles out here in the country.

Do they have them in 65 hp diesel tractors?

29 posted on 03/20/2018 6:56:14 AM PDT by HotHunt
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To: Sacajaweau
RE:”I like to start stopping WAY before the slippery condition so by the time I get there, I've already slowed down and have control. “

I have no troubles with ice as long as no other moving objects like other cars are around.

To test if its too icy to use the breaks tap on them and if its icy the car will immediate slide for that short period.

In that case take your feet off gas and let the car naturally slow while you have control of the steering.

Slamming the breaks on ice is near suicide.

30 posted on 03/20/2018 6:56:33 AM PDT by sickoflibs (Florida school safety bill=gun grabbing)
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To: BuffaloJack

Skynet doesn’t care.


31 posted on 03/20/2018 6:56:54 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$
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To: Bitman

Manual


32 posted on 03/20/2018 6:57:02 AM PDT by Bitman
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To: csvset

Hear, Hear...although my ex-wife wouldn’t be able to take my son to school or soccer practice!


33 posted on 03/20/2018 6:57:04 AM PDT by gr8eman (Since God has been banished from our classrooms, Satan has filled the void.)
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To: csvset

Great idea.

My son is taking a CDL truck driver course. He took my five-speed yesterday to help one of the other students learn to drive a manual.


34 posted on 03/20/2018 6:57:16 AM PDT by cyclotic (Trump tweets are the only news source you can trust.)
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To: JohnBrowdie
I am not opposed to driverless cars, or robotic physicians, or 'smart' technology of any kind. I DOUBT the level of intelligence developing and programming such technology. We are tending to invent things before we work out all the bugs or develop the ability to control future problems. If your computer needs a 'patch' for a bug, well that only affects you as a user. If a robotic car develops a 'bug' while in use it can mow people down.

What will be interesting to see is the new crop of lawyers who will specialize in defending the robot cars in injury/death cases. Who do you sue? The car itself, the manufacturer, the programmer? Or will we actually have incidents where NO one is responsible for death or injury?
35 posted on 03/20/2018 6:57:23 AM PDT by ClearBlueSky (ISLAM is the problem. ISLAM is the enemy of civilization.)
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To: Morpheus2009

And driverless cars don’t text or drive under the influence.


36 posted on 03/20/2018 6:57:30 AM PDT by windsorknot
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To: Alberta's Child

We have an onboard navigation system in my wife’s car. With the insane things that system “suggests” we do, this is not a practical solution. In a video game (not real world) this is possible. In the real world, it will be a long time coming if ever.

Educated Idiots can imagine amazing stuff, but when it comes to implementing theory goes out the window and what works, works.

I’m still convinced the simplest possible solution is still the best. (Einstein made a statement about that)

Motives on auto navigation systems? Did you ever use it to find a restaurant? Give it an address, it will often get you there. Those who pay to have their restaurant name in the system are seldom the places you actually want to eat.

A lot of this technology is meant to add to the monster of tracking our every action.

I won’t go back to horse and buggy, but I still hate computers in cars. Far too complex, and next to impossible to “fix” when broken.

We once bought a disposable car. It had 2,000 miles on it when my wife and I bought it. It was a Saturn VUE. At just over 100,000 miles the CVT transmission failed. Cost of repair was quoted at $4,500. There are repair kits, no new trans available. Car company closed. We were basically excluded from the settlement in the class action lawsuit over this problem, we did not buy it new (it had 2,000 miles on it when we bought it.)

It has been setting parked at our farm for 8+ years.

Never another Government Motor car for me. Not going there again.


37 posted on 03/20/2018 6:58:04 AM PDT by Texas Fossil ((Texas is not where you were born, but a Free State of Heart, Mind & Attitude!))
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To: BuffaloJack

Wonderful rule. Like ‘no guns for felons’. But who is gonna enforce it?


38 posted on 03/20/2018 6:58:51 AM PDT by ClearBlueSky (ISLAM is the problem. ISLAM is the enemy of civilization.)
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To: gr8eman
That's a key point that hardly gets any discussion in this issue.

If every car on the road was a self-driving car, then auto insurance as we know it would cease to exist. Instead, crashes would be covered by product liability insurance ... which means auto manufacturers will be forced to do whatever is necessary to eliminate crashes involving injuries and/or fatalities entirely.

The first step will be to reduce the operating speeds of these vehicles to 25 mph. You heard it here first.

39 posted on 03/20/2018 6:58:58 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("I saw a werewolf drinking a pina colada at Trader Vic's.")
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To: Bitman

I HATE auto correct.
Another example of AI technology that doesn’t work right all the time.


40 posted on 03/20/2018 6:59:24 AM PDT by Bitman
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