Posted on 02/17/2018 7:57:14 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum
A Long Island couple has asked a judge to vacate the adoption of two Russian-born children who suffer from serious mental disorders and are now living in state institutions.
In a rare move, Nassau County Surrogate’s Judge Edward McCarty III will keep his courtroom open for the case, which starts this month, citing public interest in the “disturbing facts” surrounding the adoption, including the allegation that adoption agencies pulled a “bait and switch.”
Russian adoptions have made headlines in recent years, with several adopted children dying in the custody of their new American parents, and a Tennessee mother returning her adopted son alone on a plane to Moscow in 2010. Russia banned US couples from adopting its orphans in 2013.
In the case Matter of Adoption of Child A and Child C, the couple asks the court to dissolve the 2008 adoption of “purported siblings” who were found through Spence-Chapin in New York and Cradle of Hope in Maryland.
The couple claims the agencies described the children, then 6 and 8, as “healthy and socially well-adjusted.”
But shortly after the adoption, it became clear that the children had serious medical and psychiatric problems, the couple says. The children threatened to kill them many times, the parents claim.
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Sometimes things do turn out OK. Sometimes even better than OK
But nature can be a b!tch and sometimes all the nurture you can muster just is not enough
“Just yesterday they started enforcing stricter regulations on foreign child adoption agencies.”
Just in the nick of time. /S
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Exactly right, Tyger. When I was growing up, everyone knew a couple of kids who’d been adopted; it wasn’t unusual. And I don’t remember them ever being teased or taunted because of it. In a way they were viewed as special because of the trouble their parents had gone to. In fact my brother-in-law and his brother were adopted from a Jewish orphanage in the Midwest — a long-established place evidently well-known among Jews. But with the destructive growth of the abortion and legal industries, domestic adoptions became rare, sending desperate would-be parents overseas. It’s a shame.
We have some friends with five Ukrainian adopted kids. Two are special needs, one of those is pretty severe with Downs Syndrome. The other has some physical issues but nothing mental. They knew that going in.
The other three are teenage siblings. The oldest has had some challenges and is now living on her own. The other two, as far as I know have adjusted perfectly well. The last time I saw them, they were getting very English fluent and loving their new lives.
This may be the rare instance where reticence on the part of the press stems from kindness, rather than political correctness. Adopted children — as I noted in another post, my own child is adopted, so I am not anti-adoption — are overrepresented among troubled children and teens — so perhaps the media are hesitant to stress this angle, as what is also true is that the percentage of adopted children who actually harm other people is miniscule.
“an unknown orphanage raised teenager into my home”
I get what you mean. However, the shooter was adopted as an infant. It hasn’t been confirmed he was adopted internationally. If he was adopted internationally from Russia or from an Eastern bloc country, the chances are pretty high he was a Fetal Alcohol Syndrome baby. (Of course, even if he was adopted domestically, he may have been a FAS baby.)
Children adopted from Asia and South America as infants and toddlers — even ones with medical problems — generally do very well in the USA. It's children from Russia who are worse bets because many of them were born from mothers who were drunk most of the time when they were pregnant.
HOWEVER, even most Russian babies and young children adopted by Americans do very well in the USA. I have good friends who adopted a five years old boy from Russia and he is a superstar in every way as he is about to turn 13: healthy, attractive, smart, athletic, delightful, devoted to his parents. Yes, his parents are happily married, have money, and are 100% focused on him, so that really helps. Yet, I know many people like that whose bio kids couldn't match up to this Russian-born boy.
So...there are no guarantees in life!
Yes, I think we all have to calm down and remember this shooter — even IF he turns out to have been an Eastern Bloc born, FAS adoptee — represents a TINY percentage of that group.
In addition, regardless of one’s position on guns an gun control, here's one question this NRA member wants to know: which adults in this teen’s life knew AFTER the teen had bought the gun, that he HAD a gun?! Forget about the who-needs-a-gun argument and how-did-he-buy-a-gun argument...how about: if you find out someone specific who is nuts and lives in your house or goes to your kids’ school and already HAS a gun, how do you get someone to get it away from him? Did his now-dead mother ever know about the gun?
I stand corrected! :)
[[ But now, when they do, these countries are using them to dump their “broken children.” ]
And we are dumb as hell because we fall for it. ]
[ Don’t be so condescending.
First, because WE wouldn’t need to go overseas if WE hadn’t so screwed the adoption system in THIS country, skewing it in favor of everyone but the people taking on society’s problem, and doing the adopting.
Next, it takes time for the anecdotes to filter through the parents network. It’s not like these countries admit what they are doing. Adoptions from twenty years ago until relatively recently were by and large, predictable. Now, in order to get past the ten year wait time, people will volunteer to take various, but specific, kinds of special needs kids they’ve concluded their family can accommodate, but then the kids they get have needs much greater than the scope of the receiving family’s capabilities.
The one thing I can assure you, after being involve in the process for almost 15 years and knowing what kind of vetting process these parents go through: the last thing they are is “dumb.” ]
I wasn’t implying those parents who are adopting are dumb, they are doing god’s work, I am saying our country is dumb as hell for reasons you outline so eloquently. The policies we have for adoption are so totally insane as we kill our own children via abortion and adoption is used by other countries and their leaders to take advantage of our kindness to lower their internal welfare costs by offloading problematic cases into our people and our systems.
It is just like how Mexico’s welfare program is “Sneak into the United States”.
Please accept my apologies.
The misunderstanding was totally my fault.
I wouldn’t adopt a kid from another country. I adopted four us kids. I see most of the foreign adoption that friends have done have ended up in big mental problems.
My child was adopted from the US, yet the facts are that children who were adopted domestically are overrepresented among troubled and mentally ill children and teens. Adopting domestically is no guarantee, just as having children the old fashioned way is not guarantee.
One of our adopted kids is legally blind...(he can see, but he will never be able to drive), but you tell him he can't do something, he will try.
Kids from shithole countries need forever families too
As flawed as foster care is, it beats being raised in a room full of babies in cribs fed on sugar water when the food supply ran out in winter- like our Russian son experienced
Adopted at age 5 weighing 25 pounds and wearing a size 2T
Brought him home and realized the night we arrived why he was so excited by the sky— He had never been outside at night and never saw stars before - at age 5
FAS btw but doing quite well, just about to graduate from high school ( online, home schooled)
Spare me the “ America first” argument when it comes to orphans
We have some friends with five Ukrainian adopted kids. Two are special needs, one of those is pretty severe with Downs Syndrome. The other has some physical issues but nothing mental. They knew that going in.
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I am going to get petty and small here, but I see people adopting disabled and some times severely disabled children from other countries, to be brought to the US to be placed on SS and welfare, and Medicare and Medicaid, sometimes needing group homes, special schooling, one to one care, and I think: Well you have done something nice and heroic, and other Americans will be enslaved through taxes to support your heroic choices.
There are some people who float the whole boat but they are far and between.
Are they planning to live in Ukraine or the States? It sounds like they are Christian missionaries.
Yea. You’re acting petty and small.
Ss and Welfare ain’t happening. A stable loving family instead of being locked in a warehouse until they die is the case here.
These children would have most likely been dead by now had not my friends adopted. They certainly can’t help them all, but they can help a couple. Sick, cold attitudes like yours are shameful.
An adopted child is legally considered to have the full rights of a birth child, so if they want to send her to school, so be it.
I recognize that. I also recognize that we are spending our monies supporting people who would be as well served with three hots and a cot and some medication. Meanwhile our good and best are ignored.
They are Christians who live in the US
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