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“I must forgive,” parents offer forgiveness to suspected drunk driver who killed Utah teen
KUTV ^ | Friday, November 24th 2017 | Jeremy Harris

Posted on 11/24/2017 8:58:42 PM PST by nickcarraway

Less than 48 hours after the death of their teen son in a Taylorsville crosswalk, the Harsh family has a message for the woman accused of driving drunk and killing him.

“The first thought that came to me was, we need to let her know we have no bad feelings,” Lemuel Harsh told 2News Friday afternoon. “She needs to know, and we’re pretty safe in saying Robert would want this.”

The woman that Lemuel and Gina Harsh forgive is Roxanna Molina, 27, who was arrested after fleeing from the Cadillac Escalade that hit Robert Harsh, 19, the night before Thanksgiving.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Extended News; US: Utah
KEYWORDS: alcohol; forgiveness; wod
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To: sparklite2

She is 27 years old and drives a Cadillac Escalade. She knew what she was doing re her over the limit drinking. Now let her pay the penalty for her selfishness and stupidity.

Looks like we lost a fine young man, the kind we need now more than ever.

Forgiveness is fine. A long jail sentence is better.

PS: I loss a friend/editor to a drunk driver. Killed him just after he had bought a station wagon he loved. Vince never had a chance. His killer, drunk out of his mind, got a precedence setting 5 years (no parole) sentence. It was a start but we lost an Army veteran (Berlin), editor, friend, church goer and patriot.

His family lost their only son.

I don’t forgive and I sure as hell don’t forget.

PS: My daughter and her unborn baby would have been killed is she had been in her car in front of her apartment. Luckily she was upstairs when an illegal Mexican, possibly drunk, rammed the engine through the firewall right and pushed the steering wheel into the driver’s seat area where the baby bump would have been.

My granddaughter, today, is one of the nicest, sweetest and smartest girls you’ll ever meet. We protect her, and that means her uncle, father and mother are concealed carry weapons permit holders as well as open carry.

And now there are other children in the family to protect. And we will to the best of our ability. That’s what parents and grandparents are here for, to protect the “kinder”, children, as my late grandmother would say.


21 posted on 11/24/2017 10:54:36 PM PST by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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To: MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
I met a woman a couple weeks ago still in a wheelchair two years later after she was hit by a drunk driver at age 25. She is determined, so may walk again.

The driver was 17, so he did not receive much punishment for the crime, although she;s still suffering.

He just got arrested driving under the influence of drugs and alcohol again. I wonder if this will be considered a first offense at 19, since he was a minor the last time?

22 posted on 11/24/2017 11:24:33 PM PST by nickcarraway
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To: dennisw
You spend and invest 19 years in raising your son. A drunk driver kills him and you rush out to forgive her? Pure craziness.

It's moral cowardice. People like this hide behind a perverted view of Christianity because it is easier than recognizing that someone murdered your child and it is upon you to get off the couch and seek justice.
23 posted on 11/24/2017 11:38:08 PM PST by fr_freak
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To: sparklite2

That’s why I ask if she’s legal


24 posted on 11/24/2017 11:49:46 PM PST by Nifster (I see puppy dogs in the clouds)
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To: nickcarraway
I would forgive the person after I hunted them down and tortured them for days before finally ending their life. ;-)

Ed

25 posted on 11/24/2017 11:53:42 PM PST by husky ed (FOX NEWS ALERT "Generalissimo Francisco Franco is still dead" THIS HAS BEEN A FOX NEWS ALERT)
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To: nickcarraway

When forgiveness happens this fast—instantaneously—it’s fishy.

I wouldn’t be surprised if they feel anger and rage later.


26 posted on 11/25/2017 12:10:39 AM PST by Arthur McGowan (https://youtu.be/hj3e8cKZWiY)
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To: sparklite2
Then she took off running.

Pretty much what Miami witnessed with every "immigrant" crash since the 1960s—and not just DUIs.

27 posted on 11/25/2017 12:59:48 AM PST by Does so (McAuliffe's Charlottesville...and...The Walter Duranty Press"...)
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To: 4Runner

I don’t believe the driver your spoke of got a pass by FR readers. Please point out the article and your posting.


28 posted on 11/25/2017 3:18:03 AM PST by healy61
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To: healy61

I found your posting, and I guess I see your point.


29 posted on 11/25/2017 3:27:49 AM PST by healy61
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To: Nifster

removing responsibility.......... a liberal mental disease


30 posted on 11/25/2017 3:34:54 AM PST by ronnie raygun (Trump plays chess the rest are still playing checkers)
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To: EliRoom8; sparklite2
There is forgiveness by the Father and there is human forgiveness - human forgiveness helps the person doing the forgiving so they don't carry the baggage of hate around.If it helps the person being forgiven, so much the better.

Forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us....

Funny how so many jump on folks "who just don't understand" while not understanding themselves....but who have the need to crap on any good deed because it just don't live up to their own "standards".........kind of ironic if one looks at it.

31 posted on 11/25/2017 3:36:02 AM PST by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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To: trebb

Most of us know forgiving helps to lighten our load....

...but I know personally it’s very, very hard to forgive some people who have betrayed us.

In my morning prayers, I always ask God for help in forgiving this one person in my past but it’s easier said than done...still trying, though.


32 posted on 11/25/2017 3:56:24 AM PST by newfreep ("INSIDE EVERY PROGRESSIVE IS A TOTALITARIAN SCREAMING TO GET OUT" @HOROWITZ39, DAVID HOROWITZ)
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To: ASOC
nd I hope the drunk get 5 to 7 for negligent homicide.

The 19 year old hispanic kid that killed by brother in Calif was drunk and had drugs in his system. He only got 4 years with time served.......He ran a red light and broadsided my brother's car in an intersection.

I've always wondered whether or not the kid was an illegal.....

33 posted on 11/25/2017 4:01:58 AM PST by Hot Tabasco
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To: nickcarraway

“She is 27 years old and drives a Cadillac Escalade.”

Young Mexicans think they’re too good for their grandfather’s Chevrolet. This attractive senorita probably thinks she’s too good for receiving justice. If she’s not here legally, she should have another thing coming. She needs to know what she has no right to expect.


34 posted on 11/25/2017 4:19:02 AM PST by equaviator (There's nothing like the universe to bring you down to earth.)
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To: EliRoom8
It’s like people who sit on a jury and refuse to convict because they misapply “judge ye not.”

It IS Utah; you know.


Judge NOT???
 
Sigh...
 
Jesus has commanded us to judge!
 

"Dare any of you, having a matter against another, go to law before the unrighteous, and not before the saints? Do you not know that the saints will judge the world?... And if the world will be judged by you, are you unworthy to judge the smallest matters?... Do you not know that we shall judge angels?... How much more, things that pertain to this life?.. If then you have judgments concerning things pertaining to this life, do you appoint those who are least esteemed by the church to judge ? (1 Corinthians 6:1-5).


Many commands of God require the exercise of righteous judgment.


"But we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you withdraw from every brother who walks disorderly and not according to the tradition which he received from us" (2 Thessalonians 3:6).

"And if anyone does not obey our word in this epistle, note that person and do not keep company with him, that he may be ashamed. Yet do not count him as an enemy, but admonish him as a brother" (2 Thessalonians 3:14,15).

"Teach and exhort these things. If anyone teaches otherwise and does not consent to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness, he is proud, knowing nothing, but is obsessed with disputes and arguments over words, from which come envy, strife, reviling, evil suspicions, useless wrangling of men of corrupt minds and destitute of the truth, who suppose that godliness is a means of gain. From such withdraw yourself" (2 Timothy 6:2b-5).

"Now I urge you, brethren, note those who cause divisions and offenses, contrary to the doctrine which you learned, and avoid them. For those who are such do not serve our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly, and by smooth words and flattering speech deceive the hearts of the simple" (Romans 16:17,18).


All these commands require the careful exercise of righteousness judgment. Do not be deceived by smooth words and flattering speech. Beware of wolves who come to you with a sheep's skin.

We must be careful not to make unqualified judgments. But we must judge appropriately when commanded to do so.


 "Do not judge according to appearance, but judge with righteous judgment."  (John 7:24).

35 posted on 11/25/2017 4:30:31 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: sparklite2; Utah Binger

How does one even GET drunk in Utah?

Isn’t 3.2 beer the max there?


36 posted on 11/25/2017 4:31:27 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

How much more, things that pertain to this life?


37 posted on 11/25/2017 4:35:09 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: trebb

Should I forgive the driver too?? How about you, have you forgiven her?? Even though we have no right to forgive a trespass which happened to someone else, let’s all sing kumbyah and have a pity party — we’ll FEEEEEEL better, and that really is the bottom line for today’s Christian. Not what was said, who was the audience, nor what was the context.

Have you ever read King David’s final instructions to Solomon? Do so. He’s someone who would advise that a DUI driver be captured, gutted, and hung.


38 posted on 11/25/2017 4:36:27 AM PST by EliRoom8
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To: Elsie

Excellent!


39 posted on 11/25/2017 4:37:51 AM PST by EliRoom8
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To: nickcarraway

People who forgive before the sinner repents are more magnanimous than God, who doesn’t forgive until the sinner repents.


40 posted on 11/25/2017 4:49:29 AM PST by FNU LNU (Nothing runs like a Deere, nothing smells like a john)
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