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Still bruised from Clinton loss, left takes aim at Electoral College in court
Foxnews.com ^ | 10/19/17 | By Fred Lucas, Fox News

Posted on 10/19/2017 9:57:17 AM PDT by blueyon

A liberal-led push to overhaul the Electoral College could be moving from the op-ed pages to the courtroom, as a Harvard professor who flirted with a dark-horse Democratic presidential bid last year vows litigation to change the system.

Criticism of the Electoral College was resurgent in the wake of Hillary Clinton’s 2016 loss. Clinton recently said she wants the system "eliminated." The latest effort isn’t aimed at dismantling the structure entirely – but rather, the winner-take-all system used by 48 states in awarding electors, which ends up focusing presidential races on a handful of battlegrounds.

“With a winner-take-all, most of America is ignored,” professor Lawrence Lessig said in previewing his legal case – which, like any challenge to the Electoral College, faces a steep uphill climb.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: clinton; election; trump; voting
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Liberals still acting like spoiled children having a hissy fit because they lost!
1 posted on 10/19/2017 9:57:17 AM PDT by blueyon
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To: blueyon

They need to read the Constitution.


2 posted on 10/19/2017 10:00:09 AM PDT by Fai Mao (I still want to see The PIAPS in prison)
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To: blueyon

Heads we win.
Tails you lose.

That’s how Leftists want the “law”.


3 posted on 10/19/2017 10:00:45 AM PDT by Flick Lives
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To: blueyon

I thought they were going to impeach Trump. Pence would take over & appoint Crooked Hillary VP, then Pence would resign & Crooked Hillary would be queen. Isn’t that the plan?


4 posted on 10/19/2017 10:02:36 AM PDT by gubamyster
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To: blueyon

“Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a Number of Electors, equal to the whole Number of Senators and Representatives to which the State may be entitled in the Congress; but no Senator or Representative, or Person holding an Office of Trust or Profit under the United States, shall be appointed an Elector.”

U.S. Constitution, Art. II, Sec. 1

Seems pretty damned clear to me. Each state legislature is free to appoint their states’s electors in whatever manner they choose.


5 posted on 10/19/2017 10:02:42 AM PDT by Bubba_Leroy (The Obamanation has ended!)
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To: blueyon

I know I saw results from the 2000 election that said that counting EC votes by congressional district + 2 for the winner of the state’s total vote still had Bush winning. Has anyone done something similar for 2016?

And, the Constitution gives the state legislatures absolute power to award electoral votes as they see fit, so I can’t see this going very far.


6 posted on 10/19/2017 10:03:31 AM PDT by hanamizu
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To: blueyon

They should concentrate on making sure there is not one Illegal Vote Cast in our Elections.

If they can’t guarantee that, they have no business pushing the Popular Vote rhetoric.


7 posted on 10/19/2017 10:03:32 AM PDT by Kickass Conservative ( Democracy, two Wolves and one Sheep deciding what's for Dinner.Does the Government)
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To: blueyon

I think that this is doomed to fail in court.

The Constitution indicates that states choose their electors. States are not required to choose electors by popular vote. Does everyone here realize that?

So since states are not required to choose electors by popular vote, or allocate them in any particular way among candidates, I don’t see how there is any legal case here.


8 posted on 10/19/2017 10:03:38 AM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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To: blueyon

Hmm. That means that the EVs in California and New York might be split instead of falling into the laps of the Dems automatically. Do they really want to contemplate this possibility?


9 posted on 10/19/2017 10:04:11 AM PDT by 17th Miss Regt
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To: blueyon
The legal argument offered in support of the lawsuit:


10 posted on 10/19/2017 10:04:30 AM PDT by Bubba_Leroy (The Obamanation has ended!)
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To: blueyon

Mathematical proof of the merits of the Electoral College - “Math Against Tyranny”.

http://discovermagazine.com/2004/sep/math-against-tyranny


11 posted on 10/19/2017 10:04:46 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: blueyon

All they need is a constitutional amendment.

:)

I think it would be hilarious if a judge actually let them prevail in nullifying what the constitution actually sez and then watch it go to the SCOTUS, which has motivation for keeping up at least a minimally positive reputation.


12 posted on 10/19/2017 10:07:16 AM PDT by robroys woman (So you're not confused, I'm male.)
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To: blueyon
Wonder if Lawrence Lessig has visited National Popular Vote?
13 posted on 10/19/2017 10:07:49 AM PDT by upchuck (Looking for a new/different job? Try Genealogy. You can't get fired and you can't quit!)
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To: blueyon

The “winner take all” is the most eminently fair way to resolve the Federal relationship between the states and the national government. What a pity that the Seventeenth Amendment took away the right of the various state legislatures to select the two Senators representing each state.

Proportional representation of each individual state has proved to be an instrument of mob rule. When polarization sets in, there is no way to resolve the differences.


14 posted on 10/19/2017 10:07:53 AM PDT by alloysteel (Guilty until proven innocent, while denying defense, justice, mercy or any appeal. No pardon, ever.)
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To: hanamizu

I havent seen one, but given the concentration of her votes, and the fact that the GOP won so many House seats combined with Trump winning most of the states, I’d say he would’ve had a clean victory.


15 posted on 10/19/2017 10:08:17 AM PDT by Tanniker Smith (Rome didn't fall in a day, either.)
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To: gubamyster; blueyon
"I thought they were going to impeach Trump. Pence would take over & appoint Crooked Hillary VP, then Pence would resign & Crooked Hillary would be queen. Isn’t that the plan?"

Yes, this is the same guy who came up with that cockamamie idea. He was on Tucker's show last night.

16 posted on 10/19/2017 10:11:03 AM PDT by rxsid (HOW CAN A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN'S STATUS BE "GOVERNED" BY GREAT BRITAIN? - Leo Donofrio (2009))
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To: blueyon

Did they find a judge in Hawaii who would take the case?


17 posted on 10/19/2017 10:11:04 AM PDT by Parley Baer
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To: Fai Mao
They need to read the Constitution.

They can't. It's living and breathing....................

18 posted on 10/19/2017 10:11:30 AM PDT by Red Badger (Road Rage lasts 5 minutes. Road Rash lasts 5 months!.....................)
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To: blueyon

I’m pro-divying EC by district and matching the results to Congress. Of course that increases the power of gerrymandering which is a problem, but in the long run it’s a better system than whole state blocks. Proportional could be OK. Of course going to court for it is dumb, state legislatures have the power to decide, and they’re not under any compulsion to even open it to a vote (and some didn’t way back when). That’s the place to change it.


19 posted on 10/19/2017 10:11:36 AM PDT by discostu (Things are in their place, The heavens are secure, The whole thing explodes in my face)
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To: Bubba_Leroy
Seems pretty damned clear to me. Each state legislature is free to appoint their states’s electors in whatever manner they choose.

EXACTLY!!! Maine and Nebraska currently use the Congressional Districts +2 method for determining Electoral Votes. No need for a Constitutional Amendment to go to this method Nationwide. Just 48 legislatures with some sense and whatever controls the DC area...

20 posted on 10/19/2017 10:13:59 AM PDT by ssaftler (What's an NFL?)
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