Posted on 10/05/2017 12:25:22 PM PDT by Bob Celeste
I agree with your ideas there. Good ones...
Nope. But they just won a Pulitzer of that story is true.
And just got sued out of existence if it’s false.
It’s silly. He was aiming at a blob about 2 acres big, anybody can hit that. As for hauling the guns up: luggage carts. As for hiding them from housekeeping: do not disturb.
This peckerhead is somebody’s factory operative, sowing paranooia and confusion into the mix. The question is- what sorts of surveillance cameras were in operation in the elevators, elevator lobbies and hallways of the hotel?
What story?
FYI the shooter was active for 10 minutes, then he offed himself.
You’re wrong. Mr. Mathematics.
Having fired AR-15 and AR-10 platforms, I can assure you that there is muzzle walk on the weapons in single shot and in rapid fire situations. If you are targeting at 500-600 yards range even a millimeter of walk on the muzzle drastically effects the impact location. You’re not talking about a 1mm rise at the muzzle being a 1mm rise at the target, because its not a straight shot. Even with high velocity rounds such as the 5.56mm nato round, its still a ballistic shot. This is well documented and proven science. At 500 yards, the 5.56 (M193) drops roughly 60 inches by the time it reaches its target. Altering the muzzle by 1mm, since its not a flat alteration, but an arced alteration, can make the impact distance between rounds many feet apart. That is to say, three rounds on one target that is moving at that range is not possible except under the most controlled circumstances. Rapid fire is nowhere near the controlled circumstance required, so this is pretty much an impossible feat.
See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minute_and_second_of_arc#Firearms
My guess is that these stories are exaggerations made by people under extreme duress\stress. This is a lot more likely.
I do agree that the 22,000 people in attendance made it difficult to miss.
I agree with this guy.
This smells as bad as “the single bullet theory” in the Kennedy Assassination, which i saw live on TV as a kid.
Precision accuracy???? What a crock....
More drivel for the mush minds.
If the guy was spray firing back and forth, there would be a brief pause at the end of each sweep that could have sent several bullets on near-identical trajectories. I don’t see anything here that screams “the perp could not have made those shots” - because he was not engaging in marksmanship, he was spray firing at fish in a barrel, which takes some endurance and some practice but not a lot of skill, IMO, and since he had lots of guns he didn’t care if he jammed a gun each minute or two. He would have just grabbed another, and the sheriff said some of the guns had jammed.
The actual firing is a much shorter period of time,IIRC.
I question his marksmanship and feel the number of hits was simply due to crowd density and the number of bullets he could fire.
With all the apparent planning and preparation the shooter did it’s not unreasonable to think that he practiced beforehand at the distance and elevation he would be firing from.
There are thousands of square miles of isolated desert nearby where he could practice in private all he wanted.
Plus, we don’t know what type of scope he had on his rifles.
From all reports he had some high end rifles so its likely that he had some high end optics too.
And as others have pointed out, shooting at a crowd of 22,000 jammed into an area the size of a football field doesn’t call for expert pinpoint marksmanship.
Title has a lisp?
As a former Marine Corp Infantryman, I’m calling BS on this.
The shooter was shooting from an elevation of approximately 350ft (~116 yards / ~100 meters / 32 floors) above ground level at a target that was 450-500 yards away. If the angle was extreme enough it would be like shooting at something 200-300 yards away trajectory wise. Bullets tend to have a flatter trajectory when shooting “downhill”. Muzzle rise is also impacted as the barrel is pointing downward, making it easier to control. If one adjusts correctly, rounds can be very accurate even when “praying and spraying”.
Got News just updated that story to say that the ATF is officially disputing it.
Also, I can tell you that the “electronic signal jamming device” part is more than likely false... because the hotel security cameras would definitely be hard-wired, and the cameras the shooter were using were probably wireless. Also, the moment “all of the cameras” in a single part of the hotel went out, security would be all over it.
I read (and who knows if it was true) that the housekeeping personnel were in the room twice. Isn’t it a shame we cannot rely on ANYTHING we are seeing or reading ... what a shame.
I will be very surprised if it turns out that any victims were hit by multiple gunshots. Maybe one, on a fluke, but no more than that.
I think the problem there could be that there were two rooms. He could have stashed all of his stuff in one room and called down to cancel all housekeeping on that room. Housekeeping might have gone in the other room. But you are right, who knows what is true in all of this?
You are failing to take into account that he was shooting “downhill”. He was 32 floors above ground, that’s roughly 350ft, while his targets were 400-500yards out at ground level. Bullet trajectory is more flat when shooting at an angle.
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