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ZuckerSmucks FB ^ | 10-5-17 | Lloyd Acree

[Bob Celeste]

from the facebook page of Lloyd Acree.......Take it from 8 years' professional Marine Corps machine gunnery and marksmanship expertise:

Having trained to pro military "expert"-grade skill sets on rifle marksmanship and multiple machine guns in the Marine Corps infantry, I quickly started noticing a fowl odor in the news narrative on this Vegas massacre. The following are the weapons I am tired of shooting copious rounds through on both known and unknown distance ranges, running, hiking and training with, disassembling and reassembling, etc. Notice they all shoot automatic or can if switched over. - M249 Squad Automatic Weapon (full automatic) - M4/M16 (3-round auto) - M240G/B (full automatic) - IAR M27 (full automatic, top-dollar M16 variant)

I spent 8+ years training and shooting to military specs, not only with these machine guns but also pistols, shotguns and explosive weapons, not counting heavier machine guns and robotic mounting equipment used in private contracting overseas after my military service.

Now the distance shot from the Vegas hotel to the "Village" concert of about 400-500 yards would be too familiar with a single-shot AR15 to any Marine, but that is our **farthest** distance that we qualify with in the Marine Corps (people look like tiny letter i's in the distance at this point). We never shoot full automatic at this range unless we are using an imprecise burst to keep the enemy pinned, and that is only if your weapon is heavily secured to mitigate all the recoil. You just can't expect many kills at 500 yards even with a properly sighted slow fire rifle. But I will get back to this.

Now as a former point man, machine gunner, team leader, and assistant patrol leader, my ability to plan and implement these weapons is comparable with what we saw occur there in Las Vegas. Notice I did not say that the shooting was better than my abilities, but neither am I saying I could do a lot better - what I have observed as video/audio evidence is simply run-of-the-mill shooting. For Marines in the infantry, that is, IF they have professionally adjusted optics sighted to their preferred distance for engagement AND high quality vise-like stabilization. I knew something wasn't right when I kept hearing survivors say that their friends had received multiple bullets to the same body part. For example, one guy said his friend took three bullets to the chest--all while he was standing next to his friend! This means the man was shot three times all at once in the same burst, OR he was shot near-simultaneously by multiple shooters (that tends to happen if you are in the open wearing a red shirt or stand out for some similar reason). Then, another witness said he saw a man with four bullets in his head. I doubt it was actually four but obviously there were multiple holes there. These shot groupings at that distance from the hotel, considering this is a real-life killing, are already professional rate even with just a semi-automatic. But this is also full auto?

You might have already guessed, yes I knew right away the shooter was using a tripod or similar gear to stabilize the gun(s). But that alone is not enough to achieve both the high rate of fire and precision accuracy that occurred in Vegas. Only a precision-sighted rifle with a quality optic can drill those kinds of groupings at such a distance, but there's more--the longevity and redundancy of machine gun fire. This accuracy was no trick of a semi-auto trigger, as using a bump stock requires extra manipulation of the foregrip to slap the trigger against the finger (which would entail pulling against the tripod instead of leaning into it), instead of squeezing it smoothly as should be done for precise shot groups. In any case there was no accuracy to be had here in conventional light-weight full automatic gunfire, no matter how good the scope was, because a light-weight rifle such as the AR15 will rock and "climb" in direct proportion to the recoil of the rounds being fired. In other words, you can't stabilize your shots if your weapon isn't heavy, or at least locked down to something heavy, and if he was using a bump stock then we have to rule out that necessary stability.

Further, this man in his mid-60s who has sat for years in the seat of an accountant's desk, supposedly carried all these long-barreled weapons, ammo, and gear through the hotel by himself? He always kept his guns hidden from room service and his hefty logistics never tipped off the security guards?

This would all just be a conspiracy theory except that we also have footage proving that it was indeed multiple shooters from different locations around the building (see link below).

Who would conspire to sell this false story and cover up the real shooters?

We know that the leftist institutions, mainstream media (operation mockingbird), and the military industrial Congressional complex, funded and manipulated by deep state non-elected officials with immense power (aka "the swamp"), are all in cahoots to paint Donald Trump in a bad light no matter what happens. We know they want him impeached for the desperate, unsubstantiated accusation that he used Russian support to be elected (yet the Saudis are hand-in-glove with these accusers just as they funded our DNC candidates' campaigns). Do you really think that they would be so far from slaughtering a hundred country music fans if it meant they regained the helm of the entire US government? And now you see they are ramping up their push to take away America's guns. Why? Once we are under the boot, no one can stop a kangaroo court of corrupt officials from indicting Trump on baseless lies. At that point, there will be no bill of rights left, either. As if we still even have one after all the damage inflicted by the far-reaching patriot act.

These conspirators know they have to use a dramatic shooting like this one if they are to gain further ground: the public must receive a traumatic sensory immersion that scars our memory and thus eclipses the factual myriad stories we have of mom-and-pop locals stopping crime with their concealed carry pistols or home owners' shotguns. Law-abiding gun owners across the nation save lives in vastly variegated situations which is easy to read about if you simply keep in the know, but if you are informed only by the opinionated Hollywood celebs then, by all means, "big brother" is the only one who should have all the firepower. Because, you know, absolute power tends to soothe the bureaucratic soul into absolute moderation, or something like that.

This is not a legality problem: it's mass hysteria deliberately triggered by national terrorism to achieve population controls. This is precisely the definition of terrorism: to achieve political agendas by the use of violence and the fear of it! The bravest thing we can do is assert our rights and our human dignity, keep our minds sharp, and maintain our weapons to always war against true fascism--the very darkness this country was founded to fight.

Fear-driven abandonment is not the answer, just as big brother is never your friend.

- Lloyd Acree

[Blue House Sue]

Lee Harvey Oswald, and Charles Whitman has much less densely populated target fields.

[E. Pluribus Unum]

His theory is that the number of double- and triple-taps indicate the shooter was aiming with a great deal of skill rather than just hosing the area down with lead.

Seems like weak sauce to me.

[TexasGator]

Dude is full of it.

[Obadiah]

To the Left, chaos is a ladder to be climbed. No crisis should ever be left to go to waste.

[SoothingDave]

I quickly started noticing a fowl odor in the news narrative on this Vegas massacre.

Chicken?

[Yo-Yo]

You might have already guessed, yes I knew right away the shooter was using a tripod or similar gear to stabilize the gun(s). But that alone is not enough to achieve both the high rate of fire and precision accuracy that occurred in Vegas. Only a precision-sighted rifle with a quality optic can drill those kinds of groupings at such a distance, but there's more--the longevity and redundancy of machine gun fire.

Far be it for a former blue-suiter such as myself to contradict the 8 years of experience by Marine Acree, but I don't think that the Marine Corps gave Marine Acree much training on the Slide Fire Solutions bump fire stock, operation of which relies on forward pressure applied to the foregrip and the free ability of the weapon to recoil into the shoulder.

Not something that can be done with any reliability from a bipod or tripod.

I also don't think that Marine Acree has any experience with 22,000 targets herded into an acre and a half of space, and how many hits one could make without any magnified optics at all.

Paddock had red dot sights on his bump fire stock equipped rifles, and a red dot is plenty accurate enough to lob rounds into the concert area.

[raygunfan]

this whole ‘multiple shooters’ or ‘multiple sites’, where are all the other broken windows? did they shoot from the roof top?

i listed to the audio and sure, during a chaotic incident, there are bound to be mistakes, but there were a ton of police claiming different shots from areas away from the hotel and other audio where police noted it was from differing points in the hotel, etc...wish an expert would listen and see if they can clear up the odd audio reports.

[E. Pluribus Unum]

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[robroys woman]

There is a strong possibility that the people were misinterpreting what they were seeing. It doesn’t mean they were, but it is a definite possibility.

[PapaBear3625]

Some people request no housekeeping on a daily basis, for privacy concerns. If asked what was so heavy, he could have stated he was getting ready for an event, and had lots of equipment.

I would imagine that lots of businessmen meet with people in hotels, conduct demonstrations of business equipment, etc. Especially the sort of people who reserve a suite.

[DoughtyOne]

That would make sense, and they could simply explain there were too many valuables/trade secrets to have staff coming in.

[caligatrux]

Some people request no housekeeping on a daily basis, for privacy concerns.

I always request no housekeeping, because I don't like people in my room.

Also, I've been known to order a couple extra drinks from room service to save for later, and say that there are two guests in order to get extra silverware, etc.

[Salvavida]

I have the same background. And I was an instructor (PMI). It's legit. The shooter was not a rifleman. And he had the resources to get a legit machinegun if he wanted to. Bump stock in an ineffective novelty.

A real rifleman would have killed 100+ with less wounded.

[Paradox]

I dont know what to call this kind of thinking.... Argumentum ad Expertum? It often fails. It reminds me of the Physics professor who argued that 911 had to be a demolitions job because the towers fell too fast (yeah, that still doesn't make sense but whatever, he was a PHYSICIST by Gods sake). Invariably, these analysis leave out details that would disagree with their conclusions (pinpoint accuracy? WTF, the guy sprayed an area with TENS OF THOUSANDS of people, who needs accuracy?). But since the person is some sort of "expert", people become afraid to disagree.

Conspiracy theories are generally absurd, and the people who adhere to them even when given info that would otherwise put them to rest, are... idiots.

[Yollopoliuhqui]

Motive for active deployment of “Manchurian candidate” hypno-programmed assassin by the globalist oligarchy using the Democratic Party as their chief vehicle for world government and their hoped for brave new world order:

The Dems are in the doldrums. Unofficial polling is showing the Dems losing ground on global warming, their strategic manipulation for the destruction of nation state sovereignty. Their second major initiative- the removal of Trump is turning up bupkis. Their entire agenda is under water and they know they are out of time in the Age of Info. So Soros, Rockefeller, Bush & Co. needed to get the troops focused and angry. Look for more of these sorts of operations in the near future and then something really big, beyond 9/11.

[ifinnegan]

“The guy has 20,000 targets and 72 minutes. Shocked he didn’t kill more. This was like shooting fish in a barrel so I don’t buy this story.”

Shooting lasted 10 minutes or so.

But yes, this is just another looney post.

[deport]

Where did you get 72 minutes,

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The 72 minutes is the time from when the shooting started until the police broke into his room.
The shooting lasted somewhere around 12 minutes or so. Eventually we’ll get some better info.

[ifinnegan]

Do you work for got news or something?

[Aliska]

FB isn't likely to leave that up unless it serves some purpose. Some of it you have to take with a grain of salt. Some were asking why all those police in the ground didn't use longer-range weapons in their trunks to fire at the hotel windows to pin the shooter down. Maybe they aren't allowed issued rifles or didn't want to risk hitting other occupants of the hotel. To me it would be a no brainer if they had the range (which might have required an arc depending and would require expert marksmanship).

Somebody commented on a board that they didn't see any bump stocks and that the weapons were full-auto.

Maybe some of it will make better sense if we get an accurate timeline.

I always wonder why Jackie didn't get hit.

[1_Inch_Group]

If it’s time for that series to play out, I suppose it’s time to see if I can find me some of those guns that people keep losing in canoes...little oil, they should be just fine.