Posted on 09/17/2017 6:49:17 AM PDT by Raymond Pamintuan
We know, to the best of our senses and instruments, that the universe exists. How did it come into reality 13.8 billion years ago? In other words, what caused the Big Bang?
Roughly speaking, there are two possibilities: “nothing” caused the universe to come into being or “something” triggered it into existence.
(Excerpt) Read more at pjmedia.com ...
People using fossil fuels? We spoiled space with our selfishness.
Well said, very similar to St. Thomas Aquinas line of reasoning on the primary mover. I will say what you said in a slightly different manner. We live in a natural world...a physical world. God, resides in the supernatural, non physical existence.
Every once in a while we are shown glimpses of “outside of time.” But it’s so quick (time wise, lol) that our little brains can’t make much out of it.
Once again, faulty reasoning.
Feel well.
Who or what created God?
Just curious, did anything say "Let there be God?"
There you go, reasoning again. :p
A scientist friend of mine told me there are multiple universes. I asked what lays beyond these universes - the answer was “nothing”. Seems to me that there is plenty of nothing in the universe we can see. She went through the millions of potentially inhabited planets; I find it odd that when meteorites land, they don’t find any new elements or metals in the meteorites. As I can’t wrap my mind around this, I accept the simplest, oldest explanation - God created it all, the seven days were selected to make it comprehendable for humans - God needs no conception of time. I find it hard to believe that otherwise, these multiverses were “just there” and always have been. That to me is harder to accept than divine creation.
“God did it. And He has always existed.”
True, God did it. But if you look at many of the comments you will see phrases like “always existed” that imply time passing. This is not quite right because God created time also. And, in fact, time didn’t start passing until matter and energy existed. So statements that imply anything about time before the universe existed — although it’s hard to avoid — really don’t make sense.
I once saw a program hosted by a Jewish Rabbi who was also a PHD Physicist who perfectly explained the "Seven Days" in the creation of the universe. It wasn't really seven days but rather the expansion of time from the very beginning that spanned millennium as time expanded, much like a rubber band.
But if you ask me to believe in God, then I have to ask where did God come from?
I'm not trying to be a smart ass, it's a legitimate question that I have been struggling with for many years...............
I don’t know where God came from; I assume he was always there. It is interesting that he created the Earth, Adam and Eve when he basically got bored. Why did he get bored? I suspect a lot of this goes to concepts of time and space that we as humans can’t understand; even if I were agnostic, I would have to entertain the idea that the universe was created by God, since what are the alternatives? There is an order and logic that would seem impossible to spring out of nothingness; I am reminded of Rev. Bob Schuller’s statement that even if after he died and somehow found out that Judeo-Christianity was not true, he would not have altered his life one bit from the teachings of Jesus and the Bible. It was so much better than the alternatives, which is why I give my credence to the idea that God created the universe.
That is where I stand also in the belief of a God............As for a subscription to any church or religion, I can't bring myself to do it.
Friend;
God didn’t get bored...
He created the heavens and the earth and everything in it as an object for his perfect love.
Isaiah and other prophets as well as Christ Himself ( in His revelation) tell us how there was a rebellion in heaven when the chief worship angel ( Lucifer) desired to be the object of worship himself and was then thrown out of heaven into the earth.
So God created man to be his object of love. Man chose to listen to Lucifer/Satan ( the accuser) and man too rebelled.
So in His omniscient wisdom, God had planned Christ’s sacrifice from the foundations. Man fell , alienating himself from his creator and loving father, so a man could only be the one to pay the debt due a Holy and perfect Creator.
Now we have an advocate before the Father, the MAN Jesus Christ. He is God in man’s flesh ( I and the Father are One), but w/o sin, being fathered by God the Father via a virgin woman ( who was blessed in being chosen, not in her own virtue mind you).
Ask God to show you His revelation in the scriptures- read it yourself, prayerfully asking for guidance and insight. I find the amplified Bible is the easiest to glean these depths of His wonderful love for us, that while we were yet sinners, Christ died for me.
Blessings
Well, either it sprang into being from nothing or it’s been here forever - either way, it takes something bigger than our brains to understand it....
I didn’t mention the “great attractor.” PIF did first.
I only gave a theoretical explanation.
So far, no one here has refuted my theory.
Omniscience definition required occupation even inside of absolute non-existence (no space, no time even), omnipotence exercised all Its power into infinite geometric division to “go there” to make Itself true to Its own definition. Instead the infinitesimal Singularity now exists as a result. (This is the spatial dimension of depth). Unsuccessful in this attempt to occupy absolute non-existence, the created Singularity was struck into infinite velocity and at infinite angular diversity (important “and”). The “wake” left behind is the infinite expanse, the spatial dimension of height. The angular diversity of the infinite Singularity kinetics is the spatial dimension of width. Great. Now what. 3 dimensions of space. The “wake” that is the infinite expanse implodes down and inward, from everywhere, towards everywhere in the return to the kinetic Singularity.
This flow develops into the contents of the Universe we can sense and measure, including time.
Re-purposing this flow into complex distortions and harmonics produced and unlimited number of finite consciousness’ individuals over eternity.
The collective of these finites consciousness that ARE ALL CAPABLE OF CREATING AND EXPERIENCING ABSOLUTE NOTHINGNESS is harvested and taken possession of.
Omnipresence now has possession and occupation even within absolute non-existence. Done and done. The rock too big for God to lift has been lifted.
You’re absolutely correct. “We” mark time, because we’re constrained by it. God is outside time as we are capable of understanding it.
It's physical enough. Although the Father is Spirit, Jesus seated "next" to Him has His glorified body, as will we.
One of the interesting questions I wish to have God answer--and which I wonder if then I'll still desire it--is the full rationale for why God wanted us to have physical bodies while He solved the problem of evil, and also why we'll have the new, improved versions in His new creation. So many questions...
True story. It was Windows Special Edition operating system that did this.
The Last Question by Isaac Asimov
http://multivax.com/last_question.html
Matter and energy had ended and with it, space and time. Even AC existed only for the sake of the one last question that it had never answered from the time a half-drunken computer ten trillion years before had asked the question of a computer that was to AC far less than was a man to Man.
All other questions had been answered, and until this last question was answered also, AC might not release his consciousness.
All collected data had come to a final end. Nothing was left to be collected.
But all collected data had yet to be completely correlated and put together in all possible relationships.
A timeless interval was spent in doing that.
And it came to pass that AC learned how to reverse the direction of entropy.
But there was now no man to whom AC might give the answer of the last question. No matter. The answer — by demonstration — would take care of that, too.
For another timeless interval, AC thought how best to do this. Carefully, AC organized the program.
The consciousness of AC encompassed all of what had once been a Universe and brooded over what was now Chaos. Step by step, it must be done.
And AC said, “LET THERE BE LIGHT!”
And there was light——
#36 What existed before the big bang?
Dinner at eight then dessert.... : )
Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.