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1 posted on 08/31/2017 7:28:58 AM PDT by 11th_VA
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Jefferson and Hemmings were in love. The rape story is bunk.


2 posted on 08/31/2017 7:34:02 AM PDT by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either satire or opinion. Or both.)
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I can see why history gets so screwed up, instead of looking for the “truth” they look for arguments to bolster each “side”...


3 posted on 08/31/2017 7:34:21 AM PDT by wyowolf (Be ware when the preachers take over the Republican party...)
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More interest in Jefferson’s sex life than in Obama’s claim to citizenship..................smh


4 posted on 08/31/2017 7:34:42 AM PDT by Roccus (When you talk to a politician...ANY politician...always say, "Remember Ceausescu")
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More crap trying to link Jefferson’s behavior to the Rapist In Chief Clintoooooon


6 posted on 08/31/2017 7:39:55 AM PDT by laweeks
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Best book I've read about this: The Jefferson-Hemings Myth : An American Travesty.

ML/NJ

7 posted on 08/31/2017 7:40:08 AM PDT by ml/nj
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It is well worth the time to read the historical report published by Monticello on their research into the possible relationship between Mr. Jefferson and Sally Hemmings.

https://www.monticello.org/site/plantation-and-slavery/report-research-committee-thomas-jefferson-and-sally-hemings

Additionally, last year they found Sally Hemmings’ quarters when they were restoring an area of the house that had been turned in to a men’s bathroom early in the 20th century. They are now in the processor of restoring it.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-4662350/Archaeologists-Sally-Hemings-room-Monticello.html


8 posted on 08/31/2017 7:40:14 AM PDT by Madam Theophilus (iI)
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Most of what I read is history (I am currently reading a biography of Louis XIV). People who read or study or write history will sometimes come to a point where no one knows for certain if something happened or not. I read a book that alleged that Napoleon was poisoned to death on St. Helena. Maybe he was. But maybe wasn’t. Sometimes, the end of the road is just a “maybe”. The Thomas Jefferson/Sally Hemmings story is just such a “maybe”. It is wrong IMO to stretch a “maybe” into a “known fact”.


10 posted on 08/31/2017 7:45:01 AM PDT by Sans-Culotte (Time to get the US out of the UN and the UN out of the US!)
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There was nothing wrong with jeffererson that would stop him from being a father ...he had several with his white wife...

so he could have been the father of Sally’s children...at least some of them...

it would be interesting to see if the descendants are his children...

another DNA test with direct white descendants would be necessary for this to work...

since Jefferson and sally had an ongoing sexual relationship there is little to prove that he was not the father...


11 posted on 08/31/2017 7:46:23 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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It’s to me sort of curious that there has been no specific discussion of chromosomes. Do any male descendants of Sally Hemmings have the Jefferson Y chromosome, or are we strictly talking X chromosome here, since the Carr nephews keep coming up? Or, is it an X chromosome attributable to Randolph Jefferson? Innuendoes don’t prove a thing. Proof of paternity is a scientific endeavor, is it not, or are we dealing yet again with political science?


12 posted on 08/31/2017 7:48:15 AM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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I remember this story making headlines during the Clinton/Lewinsky scandal. The Mainstreams were willing, even then, to take down a founding father to make Clinton not look so bad.


15 posted on 08/31/2017 7:51:15 AM PDT by Doche2X2
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1873 - Memoirs of Madison Hemming

It was on the basis of this newspaper interview of one of Sally Hemming’s sons that archaeologists at Montecello found her bedroom last year.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/jefferson/cron/1873march.html


21 posted on 08/31/2017 8:07:20 AM PDT by Madam Theophilus (iI)
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What if is was mutual? You know, like Bill and Monica.


23 posted on 08/31/2017 8:10:11 AM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Your Free Speech is Violence. My Violence is Free Speech.)
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Founding Father ping?

To add to the intrigue — I’ve read that Sally Hemings was actually Martha Jefferson’s HALF SISTER. (Jefferson’s late wife.) Jefferson had inherited Hemings (along with many other slaves) from his father-in-law upon his wife’s death.


25 posted on 08/31/2017 8:14:01 AM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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I don’t know how you could disprove that Jefferson fathered Eston unless you had Eston’s remains to test.

You could only prove that at some point the supposed line of descent was incorrect, falsely ascribed paternity for example.


26 posted on 08/31/2017 8:15:15 AM PDT by heartwood (If you're looking for a </sarc tag>, you just saw it.)
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A little history to add this: Southern Secession Was Lawful: Uncovering the Truth in American History


29 posted on 08/31/2017 8:19:36 AM PDT by yoe
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Nothing personal here I assume you’re going with what the source gave you.
BUT
The article caption could have used the conclusion made in the source which was: Questionable DNA Sources Were Used To Prove Claim Thomas Jefferson Sally Hemmings Hanky Panky.

Instead that headline left that open for endless speculation particularly by casual readers.


30 posted on 08/31/2017 8:28:05 AM PDT by mosesdapoet (Mosesdapoet aka L.J.Keslin)
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as much misinformation that I see today being taken as the truth I tend to take what ever historians say about history with a grain of salt if it is salacious in nature. rumors are just what they are not historical fact and every historian has there pet theory that a lot of times is based on what intrigues them not fact.

My personnel belief is that Sally hemming’s was actually Thomas Jefferson’s wife’s half sister and that because of that in private she was treated as a family member because she was family.

Thomas Jefferson’s political enemies picked up on the fact that she was being treated by Jefferson better then a mere slave and tried to use a whisper campaign to discredit him as being an adulterer and a mixer of the races.

history can be real ugly when dealing with the politics of the history because the truth is that we just can’t be sure of what the relationship of sally hemming’s and the Jefferson family was.


32 posted on 08/31/2017 8:45:36 AM PDT by PCPOET7
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Stephen Ambrose, the historian who wrote "Undaunted Courage" was interviewed on C-SPAN a few years before he died and Brian Lamb asked him about the Sally Hemmings thing. Ambrose said that the issue came up during one of Jefferson's bids for the presidency. He said that it was a campaign tactic by his opponent and that it was not Thomas Jefferson but his brother (or nephew) who had supplied the DNA, and not Thomas.

Ambrose also said that Thomas did not respond to the lie because he was a gentleman and would not out his relative in any way. And, that Thomas figured that at some point history would out the truth.

35 posted on 08/31/2017 9:28:03 AM PDT by Slyfox (Are you tired of winning yet?)
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The 1998 Nature story was FAKE NEWS™.


36 posted on 08/31/2017 9:35:22 AM PDT by Captain Jack Aubrey (There's not a moment to lose.)
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These allegations were addressed by Jefferson during his life time. Unfortunately for Jefferson he had to be away from his beloved Monticello for years at a time in the service of his country. During this time away from his large estate he allowed his brother and uncle to manage his affairs there.

It was well known by his contemporaries that his brother was having sex with more than one of Thomas Jeffersons slaves. Thomas Jefferson admonished his brother on more than one occasion. Thomas rebuked Randolph in writing for this nastiness.

It is most unfortunate that today the reputation of perhaps one of the very greatest Americans to have ever lived would have his reputation sullied by irresponsible do gooders.

Yes, there is DNA from Jefferson’s family in Sally Hemmings but it is not from Thomas, it is from Randolph.


39 posted on 08/31/2017 10:32:36 AM PDT by JAKraig (my religion is at leMPGast as good as yours)
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