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10 missing after USS John McCain collides with merchant ship; search underway
ABC NEWS ^ | August 20, 2017 | LUCIEN BRUGGEMAN

Posted on 08/20/2017 6:35:30 PM PDT by Enchante

A Navy guided-missile destroyer, the USS John S. McCain, collided with a commercial vessel east of Singapore early Monday morning local time, the Navy said.

There were 10 sailors missing and five injured, the Navy said.

The collision with the merchant ship Alnic MC occurred east of the Straits of Malacca and Singapore at 6:24 a.m. Japan Standard Time, as the McCain was on its way for a routine port visit in Singapore, the Navy said.

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TOPICS: Breaking News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: accident; maritime; military; missing; navy; sailors; searchworks; toomanygirls; usnavy; ussjohnmccain
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To: TXnMA

My mistake, Singapore time is one hour earlier than JST.


241 posted on 08/20/2017 9:39:52 PM PDT by Bull Snipe
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To: Bull Snipe; TXnMA
Last time I looked Singapore was Northern Hemisphere and summer.

Even down here at the tail end of winter, sunrise is after 6AM.

242 posted on 08/20/2017 9:42:05 PM PDT by Oztrich Boy (Winter is coming)
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To: TheDon
Even sheep have better sense.

BTW, noob --I have a whole day's FR seniority on you... '-)

243 posted on 08/20/2017 9:42:28 PM PDT by TXnMA (Remember the Alamo! Remember Goliad! Treat George P. Bush like Santa Ana at San Jacinto!!!)
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To: Bull Snipe

Actually, you can see the navigation lights of a large tanker easily at 10 nms with ye ol Mk1 Mod 0 eyeball.


244 posted on 08/20/2017 9:46:04 PM PDT by AndyJackson
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To: rlmorel; UCANSEE2; mad_as_he$$
First McCain damage photo.

TANKER: Bulbous bow; lightly loaded; T-Bone; low speed. (Tanker's vertical bow barely dented McCain...)

245 posted on 08/20/2017 9:48:36 PM PDT by TXnMA (Remember the Alamo! Remember Goliad! Treat George P. Bush like Santa Ana at San Jacinto!!!)
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To: Bull Snipe

Thanks for the correction!


246 posted on 08/20/2017 9:51:31 PM PDT by TXnMA (Remember the Alamo! Remember Goliad! Treat George P. Bush like Santa Ana at San Jacinto!!!)
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To: Grampa Dave

You don’t cross a $1B class warship across the bow of a merchant hoping he will obey the rules of the road, any more than you protect yourself from an oncoming truck by standing in a crossing zone counting on traffic laws to force him to stop. Even if you are in the right you are in the wrong.


247 posted on 08/20/2017 9:54:11 PM PDT by AndyJackson
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To: vette6387
we need officers who are educated in the hard sciences and are brilliant leaders....

no more yes men....no more time spent on homos diversity, tranny diversity, etc....

248 posted on 08/20/2017 9:57:04 PM PDT by cherry
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To: Bull Snipe; Oztrich Boy
Thanks for the "corrected correction"!

So, now, the correct collision time (relative to Singapore sunrise) is...?

249 posted on 08/20/2017 9:57:15 PM PDT by TXnMA (Remember the Alamo! Remember Goliad! Treat George P. Bush like Santa Ana at San Jacinto!!!)
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To: Oztrich Boy

https://www.timeanddate.com/sun/singapore/singapore.
According to this web site sunrise at Singapore is 07:03


250 posted on 08/20/2017 9:57:34 PM PDT by Bull Snipe
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To: AndyJackson

At that point the law of gross tonnage takes over. The outcome is usually not satisfactory for the small boys.


251 posted on 08/20/2017 10:00:47 PM PDT by Bull Snipe
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To: Oscar in Batangas

The Navy needs to replace all those “Diversity” classes, LBGT sessions, Transgender sessions, How not to use OFFENSIVE speech seminars, etc, etc. with some, “How not to run into things at night” classes.


252 posted on 08/20/2017 10:04:47 PM PDT by Dapper 26
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To: AndyJackson; rlmorel
Yep. Any other action is as stupid as strolling dasually across a crosswalk on a busy street -- and expecting protection because pedestrians in crosswalks have the right-of-way. You're right -- DEAD right...

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BTW, does anyone know if the McCain could have been dead in the water at the time of collision?

(I don't see much shearing action in the damage -- precisely the opposite of the Fitzgerald...).

253 posted on 08/20/2017 10:05:03 PM PDT by TXnMA (Remember the Alamo! Remember Goliad! Treat George P. Bush like Santa Ana at San Jacinto!!!)
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To: dp0622

No - not just sloppiness.
It’s Obama-induced incompetance.


254 posted on 08/20/2017 10:12:19 PM PDT by pghoilman (Earth First. We'll drill the rest of the galaxy later.)
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To: cynwoody

Yeah, that’s the christening of the ship in question.


255 posted on 08/20/2017 10:13:23 PM PDT by miliantnutcase
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To: cynwoody

Yes, the same ship — website below:

http://www.public.navy.mil/surfor/ddg56/Pages/default.aspx#.WZptZSiGNRY


256 posted on 08/20/2017 10:20:42 PM PDT by Enchante (Searching throughout the country for one honest Democrat....)
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To: dfwgator

[At that point the law of gross tonnage takes over.]

Don’t worry, Boss; he’ll get outta the way.


257 posted on 08/20/2017 10:24:15 PM PDT by SaveFerris (Luke 17:28 ... as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold ....)
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To: AndyJackson
About all I had for navaids was a lookout with gubmint issue binos standing next to me, a chart, and a microphone to order course and speed.

I'm not sure of this. You had a navigation officer and and NCO and four or five enlisted running a plot from dead reckoning, radar, periscope bearings, GPS (bow and stern) and lookouts, all updating the plot on the charting table.You were in charge of it all, of course, but you were not alone, lol.

This is done on all warships, not just the nukes. Which makes the two accidents we have had lately all the more mysterious. How did this happen, I see no way other than gross dereliction.

258 posted on 08/20/2017 10:29:16 PM PDT by SandwicheGuy (*The butter acts as a lubricant and speeds up the CPU)
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To: Enchante
Maybe it's time to ditch affirmative action and go back to a merit based system of hiring and promoting?

How does a huge slow moving tanker sneak up on a state of the art warship?

Whoever is Chief of Naval Operations needs to resign along with the Commander of the 7th Fleet.

259 posted on 08/20/2017 10:30:42 PM PDT by jpsb (Never believe anything in politics until it has been officially denied. Otto von Bismark)
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To: Enchante

BookMark


260 posted on 08/20/2017 10:31:34 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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