Posted on 06/28/2017 4:09:03 PM PDT by Kaslin
RUSH: This is a website called Intellectual Takeout. Snerdley, pay attention. You’ll like this. Headline: “Clinical Psychologist: Women ‘Hate’ Harmless Men.” You know, every so often, folks, these stories cross our proverbial desk here. Every six months or so you get a story about male-female relationships of the day and how they’ve changed, you know, what men look for in women today versus 20 years ago, 30 years ago, and vice versa.
And we have another one today from a clinical psychologist claiming — his name is Jordan Peterson is the clinical psychologist, professor of psychology University of Toronto. He’s a popular speaker, it says here. And it starts by saying: “Many modern men have been propagandized to believe that modern women want nice, sensitive, empathetic guys who make them feel safe.”
Pajama boys. They want skinny, look like they rarely eat, young, youthful, no acne pimples or zits kind of guys that are totally deferential to women’s issues and traits. In other words, they understand that women are feminists and that women are — whatever. And this guy’s point is that those men women actually hate. They might look like they like them, but they don’t actually, when you get down to making a choice, that’s not who women want to choose. And if women do, it’s because they are the alpha in the relationship.
“Many modern men have been propagandized to believe that modern women want nice, sensitive, empathetic guys who make them feel safe. And then they are perplexed and frustrated when they eventually find themselves dumped, divorced, or relegated to the friend-zone for perpetuity. According to Jordan Peterson such results are not surprising. When he spoke to a gathering of people earlier this year, his thoughts on what women really want in a man supported a stereotype that still has popular cachet: that women are attracted to –” Well, I can’t use the word here. It’s a bodily orifice. I’ll say butt holes.
This is something actually that has never changed. I’m telling you, it has never changed. This is not new. Whatever this guy’s earth-shattering research is, this isn’t new. I simply ask you to remember your high school days. How many of what you thought were the classy women were fascinated by the ne’er-do-wells, the bikers, the near-gang members, the renegades, the longhaired, greasy-haired, leather-jacket, telling everybody to go to hell kind of guy. It always perplexed a lot of guys my age. They thought women wanted sophisticated, clean cut, polite. That went to hell out with feminism, but even before that happened, do you remember those days, Snerdley? Brian, was that your High School? It was. It was.
Not every woman, but with the popular babes, the scuzzier the better. Exactly right. It was almost like making a statement going out with the scuz, the king scuz guy in school. You know, some guy’s gonna take you to the movie and he’s gonna trash the concession stand when you go in because they don’t have enough popcorn and she’s gonna look on with pride. That kind of guy.
Now, there’s a bit of hyperbole here in the stereotype, admittedly. But he goes on to make the case here. “It’s been really interesting for me to watch the response… of young Caucasian males to hip-hop. You know, there’s an aggressiveness about hip-hop that’s really attractive to young Caucasian males. And there’s something absurd about the spectacle of the young Caucasian males taking on the persona of inner-city black gang members.”
You know how you can recognize this? They run around trying to talk like Eminem. What up, yo? It’s just part of the persona. “Women don’t even like harmless men; they hate them. They like to claw them apart. What women want are dangerous men who are civilized.” We’re not talking about guys that are not civilized; don’t misunderstand. We’re not talking about people that don’t know how to use a knife and fork. Dangerous, risk-taking guys who are civilized and do not mind — by the way, every time I’ve mentioned this, I have been excoriated.
George Gilder was thrown off The Oprah show for making this point. I’ll never forget it. Oprah actually threw George Gilder, a noted socialist and political scientist, off the show because he was trying to credit women for being a primary civilizing factor in the lives of men. And that just offended Oprah (imitating Oprah), “You think there’s our role, to civilize a bunch of –” and she was so offended she literally threw him off the show. I think it’s the only guest she actually asked to leave the stage during the show. She was so righteously indignant.
“What women want are dangerous men who are civilized; and they want to help civilize them.” The old Beauty and the Beast thing. And then the guy makes this point. “How many of you know what a Harlequin Romance is?” Do you know what that is? Yeah? Did you read one? Have you ever read a Harlequin Romance? It’s a genre. I haven’t, either, but I know what it is, and I think I know what they purport to be. If you don’t, this may not make sense to you, but I’m gonna share with you what the guy says anyway.
He told a group, he was addressing them in a speech, an appearance, he said, “How many of you know what a Harlequin Romance is? So those are archetypal stories. That’s the taming of the wild man, essentially, by the desirable and virginal woman. And if you think women don’t want that then you bloody better well come up with an explanation for Fifty Shades of Grey, which is the most rapid-selling novel in human history, and emerged at exactly the same time as all of this noise about the absence of gender roles is being produced en masse.”
Did you see Fifty Shades of Grey, Mr. Snerdley? You read the book? (interruption) You didn’t live Fifty Shades of Grey. Don’t do that. But the point is this guy says if you don’t understand how women loved Fifty Shades of Grey, then you will never understand the point that women are attracted to raconteurs, civilized basket cases, that this idea of wanting a Pajama Boy, that’s just for TV commercials. It doesn’t happen in the real world. And if it does, it’s the woman who needs civilizing, not the guy.
And I think that describes Washington, if you want to know the truth. I think women are running that town and have in the media and all over I don’t know for how long I’ve thought this. Just take a look who the real men of Washington are considered to be.
The problem women have with marrying scuzzy men is that the men get even scuzzier. They often end up as cheating, lying, drunken bums who abuse their wives & families.
Wannabes
As far as I can tell they don’t any males anymore.
Women, who are women, want to be cherished. That means valued. A woman wants to know she is more valuable than the man’s stupid golf club. Because men value stupid stuff.
Men, who are men, want to be respected. A woman keeps her brilliant mouth shut as he drives past the correct off ramp. Let him make mistakes.
re Dr Pat Allen
I was happy to hear that Rush has now heard of Dr. Peterson. I have listened to him for a little while now - funny, though, my lefty son introduced Jordan Peterson to me by sending me the Joe Rogan interview. Lol - I don’t think my son realized how much Dr. Peterson is NOT in line with him.
I know a few young women - typical, urban, post-modern types who consider themselves progressive, leftist, fashionable, open-minded, tolerant, etc...
Some are dating pajama boys, and trying to make a go of it while complaining about the boy’s lack of initiative, laziness, whining, etc..., while other women of this group are simply alone, self-absorbed, or bitter. I don’t think any are happy.
Yet they can’t see any other way.
Your screen-name gives away your experience in this area!
That psychologist is just confirming red pill ideology. Same with mgtow ideology.
In a nutshell it is called alpha f***s/beta bucks.
I was then given some advice. On a date, the girl wants the man to decide what to do and where to go. They like the man to be decisive. So I would arrive on a date with a plan for the entire evening and the girl would not have to make a single decision. This immediately turned my dating life around. Then I ended up getting married and have been so ever since.
/sarc
Not just you. My husband did construction work in college and bought an ice cream truck, which allowed him to graduate from a private college summa cum laude. He’s a mensch.
In our first home he repaired our sun room including the roof and supporting structure and built three decks.
Had a date with this one gal one time.
We went to dinner.
I have a habit, when I’m at a restaurant, to “clean” my area.
Used sugar packets, butter tabs, creamers and such, get scooped up and put on an empty plate.
When I’m done with my meal, I stack my plates and silverware, so that the waitress can easily grab them.
I am of the belief that dining out is a mutual “consideration”.
I admire the waiter or waitresses service,
they admire my tip.
I am out to have a nice experience dining out.
I want my waiter/waitress to be pleasant.
If I EXPECT pleasantness, I offer pleasantness.
I have no idea the day the waitress has had.
I have no control over that.
I do have control over how I engage with and treat her.
Honest smiles and heartfelt cheerfulness, do a lot to put others at ease.
If you look to be a blessing to others, it makes it easier and often times they want to be a blessing back.
Thus, I end up having a nice dining experience.
It also builds goodwill, in that at future points, that waitress/ waiter remembers you. They are quick to greet you, with a smile. They’re a little friendlier. Their service is a little sharper. Often, they take care of needs even when you aren’t their table.
Back to my story.
As I’m on this date. I pick up my litter and stack my plates and silverware.
This woman I was with, excoriated me for doing it.
She felt that the waitress was just a lowly worker and should do it.
I never asked her out again.
I’m a construction worker.
I’m around rough, gruff and crude people all the time.
Anger for some is a way of life.
I also realize that I can be much like the guys I work with.
I WANT to be a little different than that.
I want someone who is happy, kind and considerate of others and hope that my being around them, they will rub off on me.
I was working at a school one time.
A teacher had a poster on their door.
It read:
Everybody brings joy into a room.
Some when they enter.
Others when they leave.
I want to be a person who brings joy into a room when I enter.
Should I marry, I want my wife to do the same.
(for me as well as others)
I bust my table too. Can’t help it. Just do.
LOL!
Some are dating pajama boys, and trying to make a go of it while complaining about the boy’s lack of initiative, laziness, whining, etc..., while other women of this group are simply alone, self-absorbed, or bitter. I don’t think any are happy.
Yet they can’t see any other way.
But didn't you get the memo, PGR88?
It's {the current year}, not the 1950s!
One problem is that the great masses of American women, when polled, often *say* what they want are Pajama Boys. They’re often quite vehement about it.
You sound like a decent, considerate, terrific guy.
Your date might have been decent, considerate, and terrific but maybe she had a very strict grandmother who never allowed the china stacked, never allowed the wrong fork used,never allowed all the meat cut up all at once and never allowed politics discussed at the table.
Of course, if she gave you a hard time, she might have been a pain in the neck female.
Thankyou.
Nearly 25 yrs ago when I first got married my wife said I was gruff and complained about it. I said fine you want a limp wrist BF Pierce type okay. For a week I agreed with everything she said or requested, brown nosed, sucked up and apologized profusely at the wiff of anything I thought she was upset about.
By day three she could hardly stand to be around me. Finally after five days she come to me begging please I want my grouchy, contrary MAN back I can’t stand you this way. I asked did I make my point? Yes she said you are you I want that cranky old bear back. I said I’m me, I’m 27 yrs old and I am not changing, my Dad is this way, he’ll your Dad is as well . She said I know sorry I tried to change you. 25 yrs later we are still going strong. And she hates beta males with a passion.
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