Posted on 05/20/2017 2:24:26 PM PDT by NYer
Catholic ping!
The other five remained close friends with each other.
Making babies and raising kids is an act of faith. I know from personal experience, it's also a fulfilling line of work if you do it right, although I didn't do it to my parents' degree.
People so into self fulfillment that they have no time for acts of faith don't have to worry about dying and going to hell. They are living in it.
Most of Europe is below replacement level and is still going down. Since this has never before happened in history we don't know what the floor might be or if there is a floor.
The same trend is affecting Americans of European ancestry. The only reason we haven't fallen off the cliff yet is birth rates among immigrants - and the State of Utah.
Someone would have to be independently wealthy to take a large family to Europe for a vacation.
Find out who the women are who want 3+ children and bring them here. Hopefully she’s got a signifigant other with a job skill.
I’ve got 4 kids. Not large by any means, but larger than average. And the six of us have gone to Europe several times. And we are far from independently wealthy. Just requires a bit of ingenuity :)
“They’re having three children per family and, if Erdogan has his way, they’ll have five.”
I had my kids years ago.
There were huge families in my neighborhood——and if anyone asked me how many kids I had I would say,”Just five.”.
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Utah is known as a center of the Mormon faith. Devout Mormons do not believe in birth control.
We could probably write an entire book, about population trends, and reasons behind them.
But the implications for society are profound.
For example, tens of millions of babies have been aborted since Roe vs. Wade. Some think that our illegal immigration problem stems in part from that fact. According to that theory, the fact that people in our native born population were not having as many children as previously, created gaps in our labor markets, which were filled by illegals.
I’ve heard other theories too, along the lines of, people didn’t want large families for various reasons, and reliable birth control allowed for people to have as many, or as few, as they ideally wanted. Surprise 3rd or 4th babies are a thing of the past for significant numbers of people nowadays.
Is it really a potential clash of the crescent and cross in Europe?? Given that so many in Europe aren’t members of Christian denominations anymore, it might be better said to be a clash between the crescent and secularism.
I never understand, how somebody can treat their pets as if they are their children. I wonder if this woman is childless?
I may get flamed here, as I know that there are many animal lovers here, and I’m not really one of them. But, even if you love animals and your pets, are they really on the same level as your own children, or a substitute for children???
>I may get flamed here, as I know that there are many animal lovers here, and I’m not really one of them. But, even if you love animals and your pets, are they really on the same level as your own children, or a substitute for children???
People call them fur kids. I’m not kidding.
> People so into self fulfillment that they have no time for acts of faith don’t have to worry about dying and going to hell. They are living in it.
It’s really more a factor of women’s liberation. The more liberated women are the fewer the kids they have. Men don’t have much of a say in the matter.
We could really question the impact of “women’s lib”.
I thought originally, the issues centered around equal rights for women in the workplace; that women are able to get into professional careers and be firemen and electricians and all the rest of it, alongside men. And that women would have more choices in their lives.
Somewhere along the lines, it seems it morphed into a movement for women to do those things, but also, to denigrate the women who choose to stay home with children, and/or have career moves take a backseat to the needs of the ir families. It’s as if the women’s movement didn’t want women to have more choices about their lives, but rather, fit into a straightjacket of going for the professional career, and having that take priority.
Many women seem to try to fit their family responsibilities around their careers, as opposed to fitting their careers and job around their families needs.
“But, even if you love animals and your pets, are they really on the same level as your own children, or a substitute for children?”
Of course not.
Well, except for my childless, ‘Crazy Cat Lady’ Sister.
*SMIRK*
P.S. Beau and I have 14 dogs, a few barn cats, a mule and NO kids between us. We are amazingly HAPPY with the situation. In our previous lives, I raised three step-sons to adulthood, he raised 14 Foster kids with his (deceased) wife. We’ve done our part for Society. ;)
Is that the new PM and his ‘Mommy’? Pretty sure those two won’t be helping to repopulate Europe, either. ;)
Kudos! You nailed it. Our society has evolved into one of self fulfillment. Parents invest in their children's college education in hopes of them achieving success. With success comes time commitments, leaving little or no time for a family. Even in Japan, pets are now the new family, not human children. Meanwhile, the muslims are reproducing like rabbits, poised to take over the west. Fortunately, I won't be around to see this.
God bless you Diana. Yes the two of you have done your part in raising the next generation. Kudos to your man for his role in raising the foster children. Sadly too many children don’t have the best upbringing, but he and his late wife did what they could to help children in a difficult situation. My heart goes out to people who give of themselves that way.
And kudos to you for raising three stepsons.
Yep, I think she’s too old to have children anymore.
Usually a “May December” thing has the man of the couple being the older one. Interesting situation.
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