North Carolina GOP Lawmaker Calls Abraham Lincoln a 'Tyrant' Like Adolf Hitler

Time ^ | 4-12-2017 | Alana Abramson

[brucedickinson]

Pittman replied, "And if Hitler had won, should the world just get over it? Lincoln was the same sort of tyrant, and personally responsible for the deaths of over 800,000 Americans in a war that was unnecessary and unconstitutional." Pittman did not respond to request for comment from TIME to clarify his remarks.

[drjimmy]

Fighting and killing to keep someone IN a union is ludicrous.

The South fought and killed to keep the union between slave and master, so there's that.

[central_va]

The South fought and killed to keep the union between slave and master, so there's that.

That is really cute. Your response kind of proves my point

[Osage Orange]

Did Lincoln round up millions of people and kill them?

Nope.

[BroJoeK]

central_va: "As a student of history you know the thought of the South conquering the North is ludicrous, right?"

And you know that the thought of North Korea conquering the US is ludicrous, right?
And yet, if North Koreans nuke even one of our cities, even one like Nancy Pelosi's home town, they could expect to be glassified in return.

Now consider some foreign military force which took over a third of our states, and threatened half those remaining.
What damage would we do to them today?

[x]

You can pretend the North was in a death struggle for its very life during the Civil War but that is both silly and false. The South didn't have the desire or the resources to conquer the North.

If Davis & Co. had their way, they'd take the national capital and everything up to 30 miles from Philadelphia.

They'd be at the Ohio River and 100 miles from Lake Erie -- a convenient point to choke off east-west transportation.

They'd find a way to detach the West Coast and New York City and work mischief in other parts of the country.

What would happen to Kansas, New Mexico, and other western territories would be anybody's guess.

Not to mention Confederate expansion southward into the Caribbean.

Lincoln had to take a stand to prevent the country from falling apart. That didn't have to mean war -- but war was what Davis wanted.

[jeffersondem]

“It began mainly as a war against Southern rebellion but ended, at least in Northern minds, as a war to free the slaves — just as we were taught in school.”

It began mainly as a war against Southern rebellion but ended, at least in Northern minds, as a war to free the slaves — just as we were taught in government schools.

There. Fixed it for you.

[jeffersondem]

“So, in Post 186 you wrote: “I still am waiting to see what moral right there was for the British colonials seceding from their mother government” to which . . .”

I’m not following your thinking. Post 186 was not mine.

[jeffersondem]

“And there are also some from 1861 you admire?”

Yes.

[BroJoeK]

jeffersondem: "...just as we were taught in government schools.
There. Fixed it for you."

Local schools, I went to many different in several states.
None taught that Lincoln had horns & tail or invaded the South to take their money but leave slaves in chains, which is what you would have us fantasize.

[Pelham]

” But there have to be a legitimate cause to do so. “

And so what is on this list of Legitimate Causes and who exactly compiled it?

Before you answer you might want to consult a little speech made by Charles Francis Adams Jr, descendant of two Presidents from Massachusetts- the speech is “The Constitutional Ethics of Secession”.

[HandyDandy]

All of this lost cause nonsense, that sends jeffersonDavisauntieEm and his ilk snuffling their snouts through the mud, for their little nuggets of vengeance, stem from the words spoken by a lunatic actor/coward/murder (whose name I don't speak) who, like a guttersnipe, struck Lincoln down with a snowflake style shot in the back of his head with not a word spoken, till, supposedly when he broke his leg upon landing on the stage, decried (like a snowflake) "sic semper tyrannis"! Rue that day, America! That was the blow that forever condemned the South to living in a half realized vision of Honest Abe's Union. He never got to finish his work. The North was deeply upset about that and the South bore the brunt of the angst. Lost causers are forever condemned to wander in a never never land of what-ifs. Sic semper snowflakes. They know there is nothing they can do to uplift the role of the South in the recent unpleasantness, so they bleat the mantra of Northern Slavery and try to spin cotton into wool. They twist "sic semper tyrannis" into a States rights mantra. Ironically, the States in the Confederacy had no sovereignty. It was go slavery or go home.

The South did indeed pose a threat to the Union, and the South did indeed invade the North. More than once. Lee took the Army of Northern Virginia into Pennsylvania in a vainglorious roundabout attempt to attack Washington, DC. Had he succeeded, France and England would have stepped in on the side of the South, and the United States of America would have been relegated to the ash bin of history. Instead, Lee f'd up and got his ass handed to him at Gettysburg. Deal with it. Lincoln could whup you hand to hand, he could whup you in court, he could whup you in an election and he could whup you in a Civil War. He could out wrastle, outsmart, out write, and generally best any Southerner who ever lived. He was the greatest American who ever lived.

[jeffersondem]

“All of this lost cause nonsense, that sends jeffersonDavisauntieEm and his ilk snuffling their snouts through the mud, for their little nuggets of vengeance, stem from the words spoken by a lunatic actor/coward/murder (whose name I don't speak) who, like a guttersnipe, struck Lincoln down with a snowflake style shot in the back of his head with not a word spoken, till, supposedly when he broke his leg upon landing on the stage, decried (like a snowflake) “sic semper tyrannis”! Rue that day, America! That was the blow that forever condemned the South to living in a half realized vision of Honest Abe's Union. He never got to finish his work. The North was deeply upset about that and the South bore the brunt of the angst. Lost causers are forever condemned to wander in a never never land of what-ifs. Sic semper snowflakes. They know there is nothing they can do to uplift the role of the South in the recent unpleasantness, so they bleat the mantra of Northern Slavery and try to spin cotton into wool. They twist “sic semper tyrannis” into a States rights mantra. Ironically, the States in the Confederacy had no sovereignty. It was go slavery or go home.”

Sir, please step away from that crack pipe.

[HandyDandy]

Do you believe that “Lincoln was a ‘tyrant’ like Adolph Hitler”?

[jeffersondem]

“Do you believe that “Lincoln was a ‘tyrant’ like Adolph Hitler”?”

In many ways Lincoln was different than A.H.

[CommerceComet]

In many ways Lincoln was different than A.H.

Cute little dodge there. So in what ways were they similar?

[jeffersondem]

“It’s human nature to be wary of people you don’t know - I get that - but this was the first time I was witness to ostracism merely because of where you were born. Right wrong or indifferent, there it was and I had to deal with it.”

I thought it was probably something like that.

[jeffersondem]

“Cute little dodge there. So in what ways were they similar?”

Tainted bait.

[jeffersondem]

“I just read the DOI, albeit quickly, and didn’t see the word “slave” or “slavery”. I did a word search of it and it won’t search past “sla”. The search box turns red at “slav”.”

You might search “excited domestic insurrections”; I think you'll find something.

Or, if you look at the text of Jefferson's draft DOI you will find: “He has waged cruel war against human nature itself, violating its most sacred rights of life and liberty in the persons of a distant people who never offended him, captivating & carrying them into slavery in another hemisphere or to incur miserable death in their transportation thither. This piratical warfare, the opprobrium of infidel powers, is the warfare of the Christian King of Great Britain. Determined to keep open a market where Men should be bought & sold, he has prostituted his negative for suppressing every legislative attempt to prohibit or restrain this execrable commerce. And that this assemblage of horrors might want no fact of distinguished die, he is now exciting those very people to rise in arms among us, and to purchase that liberty of which he has deprived them, by murdering the people on whom he has obtruded them: thus paying off former crimes committed again the Liberties of one people, with crimes which he urges them to commit against the lives of another.”

Note well the words “he is now exciting those very people to rise in arms among us.” In the context of this paragraph it is too clear to deny he is speaking of slaves and slave revolts.

Jefferson's long paragraph was edited by his colleagues to remove the stinging references to the slave trade;to shorten “he is now exciting those very people to rise in arms among us” to simply “excited domestic insurrections”; and to raise the specter of “merciless Indian Savages” which Jefferson did not originally include.

You may not like the fact that the signers all agreed to include stopping slave rebellions as a cause of separation from England, but its in the DOI. And of course, later all the states would vote - 13 of the 13 states - to incorporate slavery into the constitution itself.

[Salvation]

Lincoln was not a tyrant. Good grief.

[HandyDandy]

And please explain to your rapt audience what Thomas Jefferson meant by, “Determined to keep open a market where Men should be bought & sold, he has prostituted his negative for suppressing every legislative attempt to prohibit or restrain this execrable commerce.”