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To: central_va; x; rockrr; BroJoeK
All of this lost cause nonsense, that sends jeffersonDavisauntieEm and his ilk snuffling their snouts through the mud, for their little nuggets of vengeance, stem from the words spoken by a lunatic actor/coward/murder (whose name I don't speak) who, like a guttersnipe, struck Lincoln down with a snowflake style shot in the back of his head with not a word spoken, till, supposedly when he broke his leg upon landing on the stage, decried (like a snowflake) "sic semper tyrannis"! Rue that day, America! That was the blow that forever condemned the South to living in a half realized vision of Honest Abe's Union. He never got to finish his work. The North was deeply upset about that and the South bore the brunt of the angst. Lost causers are forever condemned to wander in a never never land of what-ifs. Sic semper snowflakes. They know there is nothing they can do to uplift the role of the South in the recent unpleasantness, so they bleat the mantra of Northern Slavery and try to spin cotton into wool. They twist "sic semper tyrannis" into a States rights mantra. Ironically, the States in the Confederacy had no sovereignty. It was go slavery or go home.

The South did indeed pose a threat to the Union, and the South did indeed invade the North. More than once. Lee took the Army of Northern Virginia into Pennsylvania in a vainglorious roundabout attempt to attack Washington, DC. Had he succeeded, France and England would have stepped in on the side of the South, and the United States of America would have been relegated to the ash bin of history. Instead, Lee f'd up and got his ass handed to him at Gettysburg. Deal with it. Lincoln could whup you hand to hand, he could whup you in court, he could whup you in an election and he could whup you in a Civil War. He could out wrastle, outsmart, out write, and generally best any Southerner who ever lived. He was the greatest American who ever lived.

311 posted on 04/18/2017 6:44:50 PM PDT by HandyDandy ("I reckon so. I guess we all died a little in that damn war.")
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To: HandyDandy
“All of this lost cause nonsense, that sends jeffersonDavisauntieEm and his ilk snuffling their snouts through the mud, for their little nuggets of vengeance, stem from the words spoken by a lunatic actor/coward/murder (whose name I don't speak) who, like a guttersnipe, struck Lincoln down with a snowflake style shot in the back of his head with not a word spoken, till, supposedly when he broke his leg upon landing on the stage, decried (like a snowflake) “sic semper tyrannis”! Rue that day, America! That was the blow that forever condemned the South to living in a half realized vision of Honest Abe's Union. He never got to finish his work. The North was deeply upset about that and the South bore the brunt of the angst. Lost causers are forever condemned to wander in a never never land of what-ifs. Sic semper snowflakes. They know there is nothing they can do to uplift the role of the South in the recent unpleasantness, so they bleat the mantra of Northern Slavery and try to spin cotton into wool. They twist “sic semper tyrannis” into a States rights mantra. Ironically, the States in the Confederacy had no sovereignty. It was go slavery or go home.”

Sir, please step away from that crack pipe.

312 posted on 04/18/2017 7:04:53 PM PDT by jeffersondem
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To: HandyDandy; central_va; rockrr
HandyDandy: "The South did indeed pose a threat to the Union, and the South did indeed invade the North.
More than once."

One might quibble over the definition of the term "invade".
When is an invasion just a raid?
When is an army just a guerilla force?

Regardless, from the smallest guerilla force to the largest invasion, Confederates operated militarily in (by my count) 14 of 30 remaining Union states & territories -- almost half.

Indeed, of Union Border states, only Illinois escaped all Confederate military operations, and that was not because of any deference from Jefferson Davis.
Davis was in process of gathering up a military force on Mississippi river-boats to invade Illinois when his plans were shelved after Grant's victories at Forts Henry & Donelson, February 1862.

325 posted on 04/18/2017 11:17:16 PM PDT by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective...)
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To: HandyDandy
Wow, you are totally ignorant of history. Every one in the South knew that the South couldn't possibly invade the North, The South was too weak for that.

The Confederates eventually synthesized these various stands of strategic theory and political reality into what Davis called an "offensive-defensive" strategy. This consisted of defending the Confederate homeland by using interior lines of communication (a Jominian but also common-sense concept) to concentrate dispersed forces against an invading army and, if opportunity offered, to go over to the offensive, even to the extent of invading the North. No one ever defined this strategy in a systematic, comprehensive fashion. Rather, it emerged from a series of major campaigns in the Virginia-Maryland and Tennessee-Kentucky theaters during 1862, and culminated at Gettysburg in 1863. It almost emerged, in embryonic form, from the first battle of Manassas (Bull Run) in July 1861, a small battle by later Civil War standards but one that would have important psychological consequences in both the North and the South.

327 posted on 04/19/2017 4:02:39 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: HandyDandy

This looks great as written, and I bet it would be even better to hear it spoken aloud!


335 posted on 04/19/2017 8:25:11 AM PDT by drjimmy
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