"For how much longer will we have freedom?"
Not long.
The NSA has the transcript of all phone calls made since 2005? Really?
Pres. Trump has not convinced many people that this actually happened. To add another category of speculation seems unproductive. Maybe he’s stringing this out for an as yet unknown reason.
As long as we are not disarmed.
Some of these people read history ... nuff said.
"The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."
This is the best summation of this issue yet. Excellent work by Judge Napolitano.
FYI, I hear the Intelligence Community has a bridge up for sale and MSM is buying it and then trying to sell it to us.
In particular this passage (hopefully this is not true):
Amazon holds a $600 million dollar contract with the CIA, and all 16 other intelligence agencies for all of their cloud hosting. This is helping all agencies share information, so breakdowns don't happen that would potentially allow another 9/11 level event take place.
“You have no evidence” means “You can’t prove it.”
It it a boast, not a denial.
I'm not comfortable with that...
I don’t think Napolitano’s characterization of Presidential discretion under FISA wrt “United States persons” is accurate.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/50/chapter-36/subchapter-I
I am not a lawyer but as I read Section 1802, surveillance ordered by a President w/o a court order only applies to foreign entities and persons.
“United States persons” are specifically excluded.
And in any case, the Attorney-General has to also sign off on any such surveillance - and any FISA court application to wiretap US persons as well.
Which is why, in my view, Loretta Lynch’s deafening silence throughout this whole episode is notable. As is the lack of media interest in getting her on the record. (As Rush says, the drive-bys are scared of the answers, so they avoid the questions).
I’d like any Freepers who are actually lawyers to weigh in on this.
No evidence...
“For how much longer will we have freedom?”>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
No evidence?
They’ll make sure there is no evidence:
Theory:
Feinstein and Grassly NOW know that Obama broke the sedition law, by arranging Trump surveillance through a foreign nation.
Strange reactions of Feinstein and Grassly:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/3535471/posts
And their job is now to make sure that any evidence of Obama’s crime disaappears.
Trump will likely point the investigation to the British Security Service, and Feinstein and Grassly are likley refusing to let the Senate Investigation Committee go there.
Feinstein and Grassly already know that Obama broke the law, and now they are covering it up, with the likely help of a couple of RINO Republicans.
Meanwhile Obama is all alone in Bora Bora, all by himself, without the wookie. Passingly strange.Looks like he is ready to bolt as a fugitive.
Now the Judge backpedals. “I hope the investigations of Mr. Trump’s allegation discover and reveal the truth — whatever it is” -— A few days ago, he said his sources said it did happen. Now, he has no clue what happened. I doubt we will ever have “proof” of anything.
The NSA has an address.
First of two parts and maybe more on the 7+ decades long history of the UK’s spying on our people and us spying on their people.
UKUSA Agreement
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The UKUSA Community: Australia, Canada, New Zealand, the United Kingdom, and the United States
The United Kingdom – United States of America Agreement (UKUSA, /;/ew-koo-sah)[1][2] is a multilateral agreement for cooperation in signals intelligence between Australia, Canada, New Zealand, the United Kingdom, and the United States. The alliance of intelligence operations is also known as the Five Eyes.[3][4][5][6][7]
In classification markings this is abbreviated as FVEY, with the individual countries being abbreviated as AUS, CAN, NZL, GBR, and USA, respectively.[8]
Emerging from an informal agreement related to the 1941 Atlantic Charter, the secret treaty was renewed with the passage of the 1943 BRUSA Agreement, before being officially enacted on 5 March 1946 by the United Kingdom and the United States. In the following years, it was extended to encompass Canada, Australia, and New Zealand. Other countries, known as “third parties”, such as West Germany, the Philippines, and several Nordic countries also joined the UKUSA community.[9][10]
Much of the sharing of information is performed via the ultra-sensitive STONEGHOST network, which has been claimed to contain “some of the Western world’s most closely guarded secrets”.[11]
Besides laying down rules for intelligence sharing, the agreement formalized and cemented the “Special Relationship” between the UK and the USA.[12][13]
Due to its status as a secret treaty, its existence was not known to the Prime Minister of Australia until 1973,[14] and it was not disclosed to the public until 2005.
[13] On 25 June 2010, for the first time in history, the full text of the agreement was publicly released by the United Kingdom and the United States, and can now be viewed online.[9][15] Shortly after its release, the seven-page UKUSA Agreement was recognized by Time magazine as one of the Cold War’s most important documents, with immense historical significance.[13]
The global surveillance disclosure by Edward Snowden has shown that the intelligence-sharing activities between the First World allies of the Cold War are rapidly shifting into the digital realm of the Internet.[16][17][18]
Due to its status as a secret treaty, its existence was not known to the Prime Minister of Australia until 1973,[14] and it was not disclosed to the public until 2005.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UKUSA_Agreement#Origins_.281940s.E2.80.931950s.29
Part two of ??? parts history of our agreement where the Brits spied on our people and we spied on their people for 7+ decades. Unlike PRISM, the MUSCULAR program requires no (FISA or other type of) warrants.
“It couldn’t possibly be true, because that is not how our system works,” Pelosi said during a Christian Science Monitor breakfast in Washington.
“We do not investigate, through a FISA court, Americans — here or abroad.”
Well, Nancy how about this: “Unlike PRISM, the MUSCULAR program requires no (FISA or other type of) warrants.”
MUSCULAR (surveillance program)
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
MUSCULAR (DS-200B), located in the United Kingdom,[1] is the name of a surveillance programme jointly operated by Britain’s Government Communications Headquarters (GCHQ) and the U.S. National Security Agency (NSA) that was revealed by documents which were released by Edward Snowden and interviews with knowledgeable officials.[2] GCHQ is the primary operator of the program.[1]
GCHQ and the National Security Agency have secretly broken into the main communications links that connect the data centers of Yahoo! and Google.[3]Substantive information about the program was made public at the end of October 2013.
Contents:
1 Overview
2 Operational details
3 Reactions and countermeasures
4 Gallery
5 See also
6 References
7 External links
Overview:
The programme is jointly run by:
– Government Communications Headquarters (GCHQ) (United Kingdom)
– U.S. National Security Agency (NSA)
MUSCULAR is one of at least four other similar programs that rely on a trusted 2nd party, programs which together are known as WINDSTOP.
In a 30-day period from December 2012 to January 2013, MUSCULAR was responsible for collecting 181 million records. It was however dwarfed by another WINDSTOP program known (insofar) only by its code DS-300 and codename INCENSER, which collected over 14 billion records in the same period.[4]
Operational details:
According to the leaked document the NSA’s acquisitions directorate sends millions of records every day from internal Yahoo! and Google networks to data warehouses at the agency’s headquarters at Fort Meade, Maryland.
The programme operates via an access point known as DS-200B, which is outside the United States, and it relies on an unnamed telecommunications operator to provide secret access for the NSA and the GCHQ.[3]
According to the Washington Post, the MUSCULAR program collects more than twice as many data points (“selectors” in NSA jargon) compared to the better known PRISM.[2]
Unlike PRISM, the MUSCULAR program requires no (FISA or other type of) warrants.
Because of the huge amount of data involved, MUSCULAR has presented a special challenge to NSA’s Special Source Operations. For example, when Yahoo! decided to migrate a large amount of mailboxes between its data centers, the NSA’s PINWALE database (their primary analytical database for the Internet) was quickly overwhelmed with the data coming from MUSCULAR.[5]
Closely related programmes are called INCENSER and TURMOIL. TURMOIL, belonging to the NSA, is a system for processing the data collected from MUSCULAR.[1]
According to a post-it style note from the presentation, the exploitation relied on the fact that (at the time at least) data was transmitted unencrypted inside Google’s private cloud, with “Google Front End Servers” stripping and respectively adding back SSL from/to external connections.
According to the Washington Post: “Two engineers with close ties to Google exploded in profanity when they saw the drawing.” After the information about MUSCULAR was published by the press, Google announced that it was working on deploying encrypted communication between its datacenters.[2]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MUSCULAR_(surveillance_program)
“Obama spying on Trump needs investigating”.
Duh. How long before someone grows a pair, gathers the evidence, tells the freeking judges to stuff it up their you know what, DRAINS THE EFFING SWAMP, charges and prosecutes Obama and his gang, etc????? I AM SICK OF THIS CRAP!!! THIS IS NOT WHAT I VOTED FOR!!! Obama ran wild for 8 years, defying the Constitution, defying judges, defying Congress. So now all the Obama loyalists continue to do the same! We can’t even leave and go to Canada anymore thanks to fancy pants Trudeau and his gang of Muslims. EVERYONE NEEDS TO GET OFF THEIR ASS AND AWAY FROM THE TV AND START YELLING. I’M MAD AS HELL AND I’M NOT GOING TO TAKE IT ANYMORE!!!!
Will enough wake up before it’s too late is the main question.
In order to MAGA we must MGCA!
President Trump, Make Government Constitutional Again!