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More Evidence Surfaces – NSA Director Mike Rogers Did Not Aid Obama’s Surveillance Scheme
The Conservative Tree House ^ | March 14, 2017 | sundance

Posted on 03/14/2017 8:39:46 PM PDT by Texas Fossil

Every time I see an interview discussing 2016 surveillance of the Trump Campaign and candidate Donald Trump I keep going back to that November 17th, 2016, Trump Tower visit by NSA Director Admiral Mike Rogers.

No-one in the Obama chain-of-command knew Director Rogers was going to meet with President-Elect Trump; Rogers did it entirely on his own impetus, and James Clapper was furious in the aftermath.

Additionally, Admiral Mike Rogers is still running the NSA. President Trump has made no effort to replace him.

“Three intelligence sources have informed Fox News that President Obama went outside the chain of command. He didn’t use the NSA. He didn’t use the CIA. He didn’t use the FBI, and he didn’t use Department of Justice. He used GCHQ. What the heck is GCHQ? That’s the initials for the British spying agency. They have 24/7 access to the NSA database. So by simply having two people go to them saying, ‘President Obama needs transcripts of conversations involving candidate Trump, conversations involving president-elect Trump,’ he’s able to get it, and there’s no American fingerprints on this.”
~ Judge Andrew Napolitano

If what Napolitano’s sources are saying is true, then it’s even more confirmation of our hunch in an earlier timeline.  NSA Director Mike Rogers didn’t want to participate in, or give aid in relationship to, the surveillance scheme.  Consequently, the Obama White House worked around Rogers with another source, British Government Communications Head Quarters (GCHQ), for the same information.

In 2013 Edward Snowden released information the UK GCHQ was being party funded by the U.S. NSA to the tune of over £100 million:

[…]  The funding underlines the closeness of the relationship between GCHQ and its US equivalent, the National Security Agency. But it will raise fears about the hold Washington has over the UK’s biggest and most important intelligence agency, and whether Britain’s dependency on the NSA has become too great. (link)

January 23rd, 2017, three days after President Trump’s inauguration, the head of the U.K. General Communications Head Quarters (GCHQ) unexpectedly resigns:

Robert Hannigan, the director of GCHQ, has resigned from his job as head of one of the three Government intelligence agencies after just two years.

GCHQ would only say that Mr Hannigan had left his post for “personal reasons” and that he was not sacked or subject to disciplinary proceedings.  (link)

[Previously] In hindsight, NSA Director Admiral Mike Rogers may have notified Team Trump of Obama’s Intelligence Community (James Clapper and John Brennan) involvement or engagement in surveillance activity.

As you look at the dates below, it’s important to note that NSA Director Admiral Mike Rogers would be keenly aware of both the June FISA request – Denied, and the October request – Granted.  Pay specific attention to the October request. “October”!.

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June 2016: FISA request. The Obama administration files a request with the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court (FISA) to monitor communications involving Donald Trump and several advisers. The request, uncharacteristically, is denied.

October 2016: FISA request. The Obama administration submits a new, narrow request to the FISA court, now focused on a computer server in Trump Tower suspected of links to Russian banks. No evidence is found — but the wiretaps continue, ostensibly for national security reasons.

Andrew McCarthy at National Review later notes. The Obama administration is now monitoring an opposing presidential campaign using the high-tech surveillance powers of the federal intelligence services.

♦ On Tuesday November 8th, 2016 the election was held.  Results announced Wednesday November 9th, 2016.

NSA Director Rogers participates in session at Intelligence and National Security Summit in Washington♦ On Thursday November 17th, 2016, NSA Director Mike Rogers traveled to New York and met with President-Elect Donald Trump.

♦ On Friday November 18th The Washington Post reported on a recommendation in “October” that Mike Rogers be removed from his NSA position:

The heads of the Pentagon and the nation’s intelligence community have recommended to President Obama that the director of the National Security Agency, Adm. Michael S. Rogers, be removed.

The recommendation, delivered to the White House last month, was made by Defense Secretary Ashton B. Carter and Director of National Intelligence James R. Clapper Jr., according to several U.S. officials familiar with the matter.

[…]  In a move apparently unprecedented for a military officer, Rogers, without notifying superiors, traveled to New York to meet with Trump on Thursday at Trump Tower. That caused consternation at senior levels of the administration, according to the officials, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss internal personnel matters. (link)

Remember, historically The Washington Post is the preferred outlet for the CIA and Intelligence Community within Deep State to dump their “leaks” and stories.  [The State Department “leaks” to CNN for the same purposes.]

♦ On Saturday November 19th Reuters reported on the WaPo Story and additional pressure by Defense Secretary Ash Carter and DNI James Clapper to fire Mike Rogers.

[…]  The Washington Post reported that a decision by Rogers to travel to New York to meet with Trump on Thursday without notifying superiors caused consternation at senior levels of the administration, but the recommendation to remove him predated his visit.  (link)

If you just look at the timeline of activity a picture emerges:

  1. The Intelligence Community -at the direction of President Obama- made a request to a FISA court for the NSA to spy on Donald Trump in June 2016.  It was denied.
  2. In October the Intelligence Community (NSA) -at the direction of President Obama- made a second request to the FISA court for the NSA to spy on activity around Donald Trump.  It was approved.
  3. At around the same time (October), as the second request, (Def Sec) Ash Carter and (DNI) James Clapper tell President Obama to dump NSA Director Mike Rogers.
  4. A week after the election, Director Mike Rogers makes a trip to Trump Tower without telling his superior, James Clapper….
  5. …Which immediately brings about new calls (November media leaks to WaPo) for President Obama to dump Admiral Mike Rogers.

Occam’s Razor.  NSA Director Admiral Mike Rogers didn’t want to participate in the spying scheme (Clapper, Brennan, Etc.), which was the baseline for President Obama’s post presidency efforts to undermine Donald Trump and keep Trump from digging into the Obama labyrinth underlying his remaining loyalists.  After the October spying or surveillance operation went into effect, Rogers unknown loyalty was a risk to the Obama objective.  10 Days after the election Rogers travels to President-Elect Trump without notifying those who were involved in the intel scheme.

Did NSA Director Mike Rogers wait for a SCIF (Sensitive Compartmented Information Facility) to be set up in Trump Tower, and then notify the President-elect he was being monitored by a group representing President Obama’s interests?

….Seems likely.



TOPICS: Breaking News; Crime/Corruption; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 201610; 201611; 20161117; ashcarter; gchq; jamesclapper; mikerogers; nsa; obama; obamatrump; sundance; surveillance; tap; treason; trump; trumptowergate; washingtonpost; washpo; wiretapping; wiretaps
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To: arrogantsob

I’m curious, did you ever support Bush?


121 posted on 03/15/2017 12:26:37 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: dragnet2

It was clapper that said the NSA doesn’t spy on Americans, correct?


122 posted on 03/15/2017 1:09:12 PM PDT by Sam Gamgee
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To: Sam Gamgee

I believe so. lol...


123 posted on 03/15/2017 1:20:39 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Bshaw
#19 As long as they all hang. How they get to the end of their rope I do not care. I just hope it is near the end.
ping
124 posted on 03/15/2017 2:35:23 PM PDT by minnesota_bound
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To: dragnet2

I voted for him twice. Since he refused to fight the Fake News he lost a lot of support.

His critics seem oblivious to the fact that he was the MOST conservative governor in the country in 2000.


125 posted on 03/15/2017 2:41:39 PM PDT by arrogantsob (Check out "CHAOS AND MAYHEM" at Amazon.com.)
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To: Yaelle

There has to be someone who can look into that doesn’t go after a goat or children for sex.
The whole nation can’t be perverts!


126 posted on 03/15/2017 2:42:16 PM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God Bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: dragnet2

Millions of voters did not fall for the Fake News crap. You are well aware that anyone who CARED about the truth can find it. The millions who believe the fake news do not care or won’t put any effort into finding out what the truth is.

Of course, I blame the voters for being so lazy and indifferent. The problem is not politicians but an electorate which believes any Democrat will do the nation any good and that they can get something for nothing.

Class warfare has been a staple of US elections since Jefferson, nothing new now.

I have been aware of the Secret Team and its maneuvers for at least 30 yrs. Good to see Rush and the others catch up.


127 posted on 03/15/2017 2:48:28 PM PDT by arrogantsob (Check out "CHAOS AND MAYHEM" at Amazon.com.)
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To: arrogantsob
I voted for [Bush] twice. Of course, I blame the voters for being so lazy and indifferent.

Some get hoodwinked, some don't. Now you see how easy it is for them to get gamed and manipulate the system, where the average voter, like you for instance, has no clue what's going on until it's too late.

128 posted on 03/15/2017 3:16:45 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: dragnet2

Bush provided great leadership when it was critical. I made no mistake and am not under the delusion that I will get all I wish for. Given the alternatives my choice was correct and I would do it again.

So you voted for some moron other than W.?


129 posted on 03/15/2017 3:31:20 PM PDT by arrogantsob (Check out "CHAOS AND MAYHEM" at Amazon.com.)
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To: Texas Fossil
Admiral Mike Rogers is still running the NSA. President Trump has made no effort to replace him.

yet...

130 posted on 03/15/2017 3:52:34 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

Why would he?

He is key to fixing this mess.

He will not betray Trump.


131 posted on 03/15/2017 4:09:16 PM PDT by Texas Fossil ((Texas is not where you were born, but a Free State of Heart, Mind & Attitude!))
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To: arrogantsob

“”Bush provided great leadership when it was critical. “”

Well sure. America wanted political dynasty’s like the Clinton’s attempted. We need more 10 year long “compassionate wars”, costing trillions, looting the American treasure. And America loves violent open borders which are compromising and undermining everything, including our electoral process. Oh, here’s audio of a Bush speech just a few years prior to the housing crash, where Bush demanded home-loans for totally unqualified minorities.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GkAtUq0OJ68


132 posted on 03/15/2017 4:23:01 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: arrogantsob
Bush provided great leadership when it was critical.

Dallas Texas 2006, during war time, under Republican George Bush.

500,000 illegal aliens march on Dallas Texas pushing foreign flags in our faces and while making demands and threats. All while Bush celebrated Cinco De Mayo up in the White House each year...During war time. ☺

133 posted on 03/15/2017 4:27:20 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Texas Fossil
Not surprising that a usurper would do such a thing.

Not surprising at all.

The framers weren't stupid. Half+ of this generation are.

134 posted on 03/15/2017 5:22:25 PM PDT by rxsid (HOW CAN A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN'S STATUS BE "GOVERNED" BY GREAT BRITAIN? - Leo Donofrio (2009))
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To: ManHunter
A friend of mine, John O'Neil, wrote a novel (Echelon) on this topic -- can't remember the publisher. Sadly, he is no longer with us
135 posted on 03/15/2017 5:40:13 PM PDT by expat2
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To: FredZarguna

OK thanks for the info!


136 posted on 03/15/2017 6:14:26 PM PDT by WildHighlander57 ((WildHighlander57, returning after lurking since 2000)
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To: rxsid

Brainwashed by Academia and the MSM.

Reagan: “It’s not that liberals are ignorant, it’s just that they know so much that isn’t so.”

Today is the consequences of 60 years of it.


137 posted on 03/15/2017 6:26:48 PM PDT by Texas Fossil ((Texas is not where you were born, but a Free State of Heart, Mind & Attitude!))
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To: LurkedLongEnough; Grampa Dave

The Wikipedia article is still there; the problem is that the hyperlink was missing the closing parenthesis, which is why you (and I) got the message that there is no article with such name. If you then click on “Did you mean...” the correct name of the article (with the closing parenthesis), it will take you to the article.


138 posted on 03/15/2017 6:35:31 PM PDT by AuH2ORepublican (If a politician won't protect innocent babies, what makes you think that he'll defend your rights?)
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To: WildHighlander57
You think I don't know that?

f-—ing bastard describes her whorin'-dog fatherless "husband"....not Trump.

139 posted on 03/15/2017 8:14:52 PM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (The fear of stark justice sends hot urine down their thighs.)
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To: All
June 2016: FISA request. The Obama administration files a request with the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court (FISA) to monitor communications involving Donald Trump and several advisers. The request, uncharacteristically, is denied....... October 2016: FISA request. The Obama administration submits a new, narrow request to the FISA court, now focused on a computer server in Trump Tower suspected of links to Russian banks. No evidence is found — but the wiretaps continue, ostensibly for national security reasons.

The Obama wire-tapping gang WILL have to face the music.

(JIM0216 hat tip)......the issue isn't whether Trump was wiretapped (Obama admitted such and apparently, there was a FISA warrant issued for the wiretapping). The issue is whether there was probable cause to issue a warrant. Probable cause is defined as the reasonable likelihood that a crime is or has been committed by the person or at the place designated........

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(REAGANGENERATION2 HAT TIP)---Trump should be able to review all 2 or 3 FISA requests (if he hasn’t already), and then let Congress determine if the requesters lied about the probable cause justifying them......then (1) you’d prove perjury, and, even worse, (2) the intent was to abuse executive power.

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A good beginning....and then it gets downright lethal for the Obama gang:

Via Breitbart, JOHN HAYWARD observed that the FISA court may have approved a warrant submitted without Trump’s name but “which Obama then misused to spy on Trump and many connected to Trump.”

Ergo the most serious legal jeopardy that might be faced would be (a) perjury for lying to the FISA court, and, (b) the dissemination of collected intelligence that should have been kept tightly classified.

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It is also entirely possible that Obama and his legal team may have perjured themselves before the FISA court by willfully withholding material information in order to manipulate the FISA court’s willingness to permit the government surveillance.

FALSIFYING GOVT DOCUMENTS would fall under the Crimes Act of 1958. Moreover, falsifying official documents is the criminal MO to hide larger crimes.

EXCERPT A person falsifying documents can be held criminally liable if they are deliberately acting with the intention of deceiving or defrauding another party.

Falsifying documents is a very serious offense and is generally classified as a felony. This means that a person charged with falsifying documents may be subject to the following legal penalties:
◾Having to pay a monetary fine
◾Incarceration in a prison facility

Depending on the gravity of the offense, as well as individual state laws, falsifying documents can result in a prison sentence of 5-10 years.

And if official government documents or govt authorities were involved, the legal penalties may be more severe. Legal penalties may increase with repeat offenses.

Many different types of acts can be considered as falsifying a document, including:
◾Altering or misrepresenting fact-based information
◾Stating false information when requested to provide truthful statements
◾Forging a signature
◾Using official letterheads without authorization
◾Knowingly using or distributing a fake document

The penalty for falsifying government documents is outlined in the Crimes Act of 1958. (excerpt)

140 posted on 03/16/2017 5:22:43 AM PDT by Liz
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