Posted on 03/11/2017 1:38:15 PM PST by Resettozero
Sarah Palin, the first major GOP figure to endorse President Donald Trump, is calling out House Speaker Paul Ryan for what she says is “RINO-Care'...in her first interview on the topic, coming on Breitbart News Saturday on SiriusXM 125 the Patriot Channel this weekend...
“I do want to speak about this, but I am tempted to say not another word from our fearless leaders about this new form of Obamacare that I’m going to call RINO-care—not another word from them until we are definitively told that there is no provision whatsoever allowing Congress to exempt itself whatsoever with this law,” Palin said. “As with anything else mandated by Congress, every single dotted I and crossed T better apply to them, too, and not just the people who they are lording this thing over because remember this is government-controlled health care, the system that requires enrollment in an unaffordable, unsustainable, unwanted, unconstitutional continuation of government-run medicine, and even in this new quasi-reformed proposal, there is still an aspect of socialism. That’s the whole premise here.”
Palin expressed serious concern with the fact that Ryan’s healthcare bill does not eliminate Obamacare’s individual mandate. It just shifts the mandate—which requires all Americans to purchase a health insurance plan even if they do not want one. Under Obamacare, those who do not comply, pay a tax to the federal government. Under Ryan’s plan, those who not comply, pay a fee to the insurance companies.
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Yes, because Hillary Clinton would have made a great President instead of whatever loser conservative hero you were a fanboy of, right?</sarc>
The People chose a winner. Sorry your boy couldn't make the cut.
And, by the way, President Trump's policy positions are more conservative than any President since Reagan, at least.
0bama gave us the abomination known as 0bamacare, and President Trump and a Legislature in which the GOP controls both houses is the result. That's who is going to fix this, if it gets fixed at all.
This Ryan-sponsored bill is not President Trump's plan, and omits several key provisions of what President Trump suggested.
The GOP has to govern now, and it's our responsibility to hold their feet to the fire when necessary, whether it be Congress or the President.
So set aside your butthurt and deal with reality, instead of crying over spilt milk...
Palin endorsed Trump in January 2016, before a single vote was cast. The primary process began with the Iowa caucuses and New Hampshire primary in February.
What exactly do you believe Ryan omitted that Trump requested?
Having cared for two dying family members, mother and husband, since the Death Panels issue was raised, I saw NO SIGN of that in operation. When the end was near I was able to discuss the situation in detail with their health care providers and given sensible advise on how to handle their “do not resuscitate” signed orders. They had executed those documents 10 years before they were near the end. Mom died of congestive heart failure when the pig valve she had received at age 78 was failing at age 89 when she was too frail for a second surgery. Husband died of Alzheimer’s when he could no longer swallow easily and lost interest in food. Both wanted to die at home and I had the help of regular hospice nurse visits at the end.
Sounds like it is an attempt to mitigate preexisting conditions costs for the insurance companies.
I’m still giving him the benefit of the doubt, but if Trump signs onto this plan of Ryan’s, I will consider it the ultimate betrayal!
At this point, I cannot believe Trump would throw those of us who supported him and voted for him under the bus, while embracing the POS who tried to destroy him during the primaries and general.
I’m still trying to come to grips with what Trump meant when he referred to the Ryan’s Health Plan as a “Beautiful Thing.” Pence in recent days also has me feeling very uneasy.
‘You see each state has mandates on what insurance companies must cover, each has insurance commissions breathing down insurance companies neck. So the companies go where it makes the most sense to them.’
I’m not formally educated on law and might need some educated correction but as I understand it:
Back to the commerce clause — if an out-of-state insurance company wants to offer a service for a price, the moment the federal government deregulates it then it is outside of state jurisdiction [if I’m not mistaken]. And for that matter, someone could enter a neighboring state and seek out-of-state service to bypass local restrictions [if it gets that absurd]. The federal government could go a long ways to help that along.
It’s anguishing for me to think of RyanCare as the fulfillment of the MANY promises President Trump made to us to replace and repeal Obamacare. RyanCare does not fulfill that promise. Not even close. In fact, it’s a GIANT step backwards.
I poured my heart and soul and (MUCH money) into supporting President Trump’s nomination and subsequent election based on his many promises (especially his promise to repeal and replace Obamacare) and my strong belief that President Trump was different than every other elected official in my lifetime because I actually expected him to keep his campaign promises.
My only hope is that RyanCare is some kind of ruse for unknown political purposes, such as sinking Ryan’s ship or for buying time or something. I’ll be surprised if RyanCare passes the House and stunned if it passes the Senate and done if President Trump signs it.
If President Trump does in fact try to tout Ryancare as the fulfillment of his campaign promise to repeal and replace Obamacare, then I’m in 100% agreement with your statements that President Trump will lose the support of his supporters and is finished as a President; the GOP would be finished as well. And so would our country.
I can forgive President Trump many things, including being unable to fulfill ALL of his promises, and especially those attempted fulfillments thwarted by opposition that cannot be overcome.
However, I will NOT forgive him if he accepts RyanCare as the fulfillment of his campaign promise to repeal and replace Obamacare. I’d actually rather President Trump do nothing at this point and wait until the GOP has a filibuster-proof Senate in 2018 and then do it right, rather than accept counterproductive measures like RyanCare.
Only refundable tax credits can give you a surplus. I’m against a refundable tax credit as well. I don’t have a problem with tax credits. I’ve already said, if it’s refundable then the argument Conservatives should be making is to ensure they’re not
I appreciate your thoughtful legal analysis on the regulation of insurance contracts. Clearly States only. You are absolutely correct that it is prohibited under the Commenre clause cases. It is also prohibited under McCarren Fergesson. It is also left out of the bill with “oh looky here, we will do that later in phase 15” .
“Right now I’m putting all my hopes in Senator’s Cruz and Paul”
Senators Cruz and Paul are unscrupulous scoundrels.
A bit OT: That line really hit me, because that happened to my Dad, except that it wasn't really the dementia: For quite some time all the professional caregivers assumed so, but, the real cause was a hiatal hernia blocking passage through his stomach. I suspect the same thing got HIS Dad.
There's a lot more to it, which I have posted before.
There are a lot of good people still in the health care system in this country, but the system itself is screwed up beyond belief. I don't even think ObamaCare is the worst of it any more, though it certainly worsened many problems at the care giving level: It likely pushed things to the point that correction is going to be very, very painful, if it can be pushed through at all...
I think my situation was a bit different than your Dad’s. I had taken him to the VA (he was a Korean War vet.) because he was failing and I wanted to go over the “do not resuscitate” orders we had prepared with a lawyer some years earlier. Two doctors met with us. They asked him to stand and turn around, which he had difficulty in doing. They asked him if he wanted emergency treatment if he was in a failing state. He did not understand the question and made no answer. Then I asked him, “if you are dying do you want them to feed you with IV tubes or put a tube down your throat?” He shouted, “NO!!” The doctors told me to ask him again, and again an emphatic “NO!!” That was in March in June when it was clear he was close to death I was able to phone them and was advised to feed or give water if he wanted it, or not give it if he was not interested. Our son had flown up
from Florida, and listened on the other phone. My husband was no longer able to get out of bed to go to the bathroom. He was happy to see our son and get a big hug, but by that point I don’t think he really knew I was his wife or that it was his son. They next day he was in a coma and died 5 days later. The hospice nurse came each day to check his vitals, gave medicine for pain if he had any which he did not, and answered my questions.
After I received the Death Certificates I saw that it said he had died in a Hospice Facility which was a lie, and I called Medicare and told them about it, that he had died at home, and I suspected fraudulent claims for care. I wonder how much of that happens from private providers, and whether getting rid of Obamacare would actually improve the behavior of private providers. That kind of thing is certainly one of the reasons for high medical costs.
There will never be a true solution as long as “Replace” follows “Repeal”. This is because Replace is just plain unconstitutional. The gov’t has no place butting in the personal business of its citizens and their health care service purchases.
From what I observe, the country is just too far gone to restore it to its original foundation without severe actions. Half the population is too dependent, too drugged up, too dumbed down, and too entitled; and the other half is too tired of working extra jobs to support them in addition to their own families.
If we could simply increase healthcare competition this year, that would be YUGE in itself, something all reasonable conservatives could get behind.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Exactly. lift the state line restrictions, end insurance company monopolies.
If they do just that in addition to their present bill, it will put the key in the repeal door for phase 2 and 3.
Without that key? We are royally Fuc*ed.
Ah, the thread has wandered into something that seems to get little discussion, but is crucial: Effective ways to drastically reduce health care costs.
The root problems at hand are government interference in the market, and people's expectation of a high level of care that someone else pays for. Both end up driving up costs. Other factors include a relatively "tight" supply of doctors, "defensive medicine", and essentially no communication to patients /families of costs of services.
Never heard of unearned income tax credits huh?
Agreed! If we removed ALL legal and policy market distortions and allowed the free market to work we'd be enjoying the best, least expensive health care on the planet.
Simply look at price trends for lasik or cosmetic surgery (uninsured) vs a CTScan (insured) and you'll see the difference.
I believe the transition could be managed and it would the single biggest impact Trump could have on the economy. I think he should free the insurance and provider markets. Watch how fast the market would move to fill the void!
If we don't move that way the system will collapse.
“We are being betrayed again with the RINOs doing the dirty work.”
Yep. These RINOs need to placed on the endangered species list.
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