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Hmmm. Watch the video. Don't know what actually started the whole confrontation but I'm guessing these kids knew exactly who this guy was and what they were doing. Also, looks like from what I could tell, it wasn't an intentional discharge of the firearm. But, since I wasn't there, I don't know. But, if around a dozen thugs are gathered around and one puts down his skateboard and book bag and confronts you while another one charges at you and pushes you through a hedge, isn't that assault?
1 posted on 02/23/2017 9:19:19 AM PST by rktman
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He had been trying to get the teens to quit walking across his lawn for months. He confronted them, one threatened him and it was on. He was in danger of being overwhelmed as a large number of them began to surround him. Another video shows him being shoved over a hedge. His life was potentially in danger, especially if the teens began to jump him and one would have taken his gun from him. Mob mentality. The one shot settled everyone down and ended the conflict.


2 posted on 02/23/2017 9:25:47 AM PST by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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There are multiple videos of the incident on Youtube (i.e. videos shot by different teens at the same time). In one of the videos, the 13 year old claims his father is a police officer. The off-duty officer says that he didn’t care and would be happy to tell the kid’s dad to his face (about exactly what I don’t know, but I assume it is about how the kid was acting). I really don’t think the kid’s father was a cop.

It was amusing to watch the kids all run when the shot was fired.


3 posted on 02/23/2017 9:26:13 AM PST by vladimir998 (Apparently I'm still living in your head rent free. At least now it isn't empty.)
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The officer was assaulted multiple times. You can see the kids getting ready to assault him.


4 posted on 02/23/2017 9:27:30 AM PST by vladimir998 (Apparently I'm still living in your head rent free. At least now it isn't empty.)
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SSS


5 posted on 02/23/2017 9:27:32 AM PST by satan (The tree of liberty is dying in the drought.)
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Every where else that is assault, except in CA where not allowing thugs to let off steam at your expense is racist, worse pulling a gun is the height of evil, worse when a cop does it - on or off duty.

How soon is the 9.2 quake suppose to hit CA?


6 posted on 02/23/2017 9:28:45 AM PST by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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Looks like a citizens arrest to me. He was defiantly able to effect the arrest until the uniformed authorities arrived.

Two or three dead kids would have been justified.

Just ask LaVoy Finicum.


7 posted on 02/23/2017 9:30:19 AM PST by Delta 21 (The minority demands NOTHING !)
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And this is how you know Limbaugh has no DREAMERS in his neighborhood.


8 posted on 02/23/2017 9:30:51 AM PST by The Toll
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This is really close to me the kids cut across his yard a bit tore up some plantings he has asked them to knock it off and it got heated this time these hoards of kids high school most likely are like marauders here in fact a family owed and operated liqueur store nice Vietnamese family close for an hour for lunch when the high school gets out just so the don’t get shop lifted Kids today have zero respect for people and property When these cops tell you its a war out there believe them

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9 posted on 02/23/2017 9:32:14 AM PST by al baby (Hi Mom Its a Joke friends)
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The cop was about to be overwhelmed and he clearly sensed it. He did the right thing.

End of story.

10 posted on 02/23/2017 9:33:27 AM PST by CivilWarBrewing (im)
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Towards the end the kid in the maroon shirt is reaching for something in his back pocket, a knife? Hoodies and yutes, never a good combo.

Why are they walking on his yard if there is a sidewalk, albeit narrow? Is he overreacting because some are on the sidewalk putting a foot in his yard? Did he call the police to complain?

If the kid getting dragged, his mother who arranged the protest, is illegal—remove her. It looks like she raised a fine anchor.


11 posted on 02/23/2017 9:34:26 AM PST by tumblindice (America's founding fathers, all armed conservatives)
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The thug kids get ZERO sympathy from me.

The problem is that thanks to liberalism, people have NO respect for personal property rights any longer. Same thugs who stomp on cars at their “peaceful” protests, or block streets.


12 posted on 02/23/2017 9:36:23 AM PST by 1Old Pro
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I know what Obama and his admin would say. Praise the Lord that I don’t have to hear it.


13 posted on 02/23/2017 9:36:28 AM PST by DungeonMaster (Love your neighbor as you love yourself.)
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The law allows a police officer (on or off duty) to make an arrest for assault (threat of violence) on or off his own property. Any interference of the arrest is another crime (obstructing an officer).

Every one there who impeded the off duty cop is eligible for jail time and a couple are guilty of serious assault and battery.

lawn trespass is not the issue, the kid's threat is.

17 posted on 02/23/2017 9:42:59 AM PST by Navy Patriot (America returns to the Rule of Law)
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His yard had a FENCE. The kids were inside his FENCE.
They were not just innocently shortcutting across his yard.

The one kid shoved him into a hedge, he grabbed that kid by the shirt collar, the others ganged him. Another claimed to have a gun, threatened cop. That’s when he drew his weapon.
Media, as usual, portraying this as poor innocent children, psycho cop. Even saying he dragged a bunch of kids into the hedge.
Dad hollering his kid is bruised.
Huh. Lucky his kid’s not in the morgue.

If that were my kid, he’d be bruised, too-—by me.


18 posted on 02/23/2017 9:45:47 AM PST by mumblypeg (Make America Macho Again.)
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He was attacked by a gang. Clearly self defense.

He acted much more calmly than I would have. There would be a bunch of dead teenagers with a less controlled victim.

19 posted on 02/23/2017 9:47:11 AM PST by AmusedBystander (The philosophy of the school room in one generation will be the philosophy of government in the next)
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Don’t know LAPD’s policy for use of force (force continuum) or level of hand to hand training, but the moment the lad who was standup grappling with the office touched the officer, he should have been down on the ground out of the fight (waiting for an ambulance and his assault charges). The little pr1k, who ran in under the line of sight shadow his bigger buddy, should have collected a face full of shoe, and another assault charge. Since the video is out there, it should be like opra.....you get a charge and you get a charge and you get charge.....

Kids THINK they can get away with junk like that because they are kids, and grownups are no longer respected or expected to respond with measured physical kinetic correction.

Maybe the Clint Estwood response (Garand in hand, “get off my lawn”) would have been better, but in lousy kalifornistan, the officer would have been taken to jail immediately.

.02, YMMV

KYPD


20 posted on 02/23/2017 9:47:17 AM PST by petro45acp (" It IS About Islam: exposing the truth about ISIS, Al Qaeda, Iran, and the caliphate" by Glenn Beck)
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There are Quite a few MAJOR problems with this Story, and Yes I watched the Video.

1. He was NOT wearing his Magic Blue Costume nor Displaying a Shiny piece of Metal stating he had one, the Feral Thug teenagers had NO WAY of Knowing he owned such a Costume.

2. He LEFT the “Safety” of his Private Home to chase down these Kids when there was NO EMINENT DANGER to Him whatsoever.

3.He Physically Attacked and forced this Kid Against his Will in an effort to KIDNAP and FALSELY IMPRISON HIM., for all the Kid knew he was about to be RAPED and MURDERED by this CRAZY man, that is when His friends stepped in to Help.

4. The Crazed Individual who WAS NOT ON HIS PROPERTY then Pulled his Scary Looking Gun and ATTEMPTED TO MURDER A CHILD, Exhibiting a Felonious and Reckless Endangerment to Children.

I will Submit that these thug kids are just that, but you NEVER HAVE THE RIGHT to Chase Them Down once they have LEFT YOUR PROPERTY and the THREAT IS OVER, As A California Resident YOU HAVE A DUTY TO RETREAT and Call the Police.

If he DID NOT Actually OWN HIS OWN MAGIC BLUE COSTUME, He would have been Immediately Arrested and CHARGED with MULTIPLE FELONIES and would be facing 25 to LIFE IN PRISON for::

Assault With a Deadly Weapon
Reckless Endangerment involving a Firearm
Trespassing (HIS HOUSE WAS 2 DOORS DOWN)
Felony Child Endangerment
Attempted Murder
Attempted Kidnapping
Using a Firearm during the Commission of a VIOLENT FELONY!

This is what would happen to EVERY CITIZEN IN THIS STATE WITHOUT A MAGIC BLUE COSTUME.

Why do so many People have a fantasy belief in “SPECIAL RIGHTS FOR SPECIAL PEOPLE???

My Constitution says “We are All Created EQUAL” it also says we ALL Shall Enjoy “Equal Protection Under the Law”. NEITHER ARE PRESENT IN THIS CASE!


22 posted on 02/23/2017 9:49:44 AM PST by eyeamok (destruction of government records.)
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The 13 year old kid will have the next 30 years in a California state prison to ponder his crime if stepping on the cop’s front lawn.

And as we all know, there is one thing the other inmates hate more than anything else, and that is a kid that walks on a cop’s lawn.

The other inmates are going to make this kid’s life in prison an absolute nightmare.


28 posted on 02/23/2017 9:58:10 AM PST by Timpanagos1
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Git off me for dee las time!!

https://youtu.be/mW4ssJkbHVc


29 posted on 02/23/2017 9:58:49 AM PST by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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Unfortunately, it seems only a matter of time before one of these types of situations gets someone killed. There are just two diametrically opposed ideas of basic civil rights, the kids think they can stomp over anyone’s lawn and “you can’t touch a minor”, and the cop thinks that he has the right to defend his property and his person by lethal force if need be. Eventually, those two “thoughts” will collide violently.


30 posted on 02/23/2017 10:01:44 AM PST by Behind the Blue Wall
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