Posted on 01/30/2017 6:50:10 AM PST by SeekAndFind
Like the talk of secession in conservative southern states after Barack Obama became president, the idea of a separate California Republic builds on long-standing separatist feelings amplified by a momentous national election. Since Donald Trump became president while securing less than a third of the vote in California, the Yes California campaign — a.k.a. Calexit — has gotten a lot of attention and perhaps even some momentum in getting an initial measure placed on 2018 general election ballot. An estimated 7,000 volunteers have begun amassing the 585,407 signatures necessary to place a constitutional amendment on the 2018 ballot deleting the state’s adherence to the United States and authorizing a 2019 referendum on independence.
The arguments for Calexit are pretty simple: The state is drifting ever-further away from the rest of the country in cultural attitudes and public policies, especially with respect to immigration and the environment. California’s size and wealth (its GDP is similar to that of France) make it the one state that might make a go of it alone.
It is also a “donor state” when it comes to the relationship of federal taxes collected from Californians to the federal spending conducted there; one recent analysis showed California ranking 46th among the states in relative dependence on Washington.
But it’s clear the main reason for sudden interest in Calexit is Donald J. Trump, and the possibility a federal Republican regime under his direction would preempt California preferences on a wide range of issues. Even though Governor Jerry Brown and other statewide Democratic elected officials have kept their distance from Calexit, the saber-rattling they have conducted about the state’s willingness to fight Trump and the GOP in court has undoubtedly fed the Calexit sentiment. The latest Trump provocation, threatening sanctuary cities with the cancellation of all federal funds,
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Thanks. I gather that Jefferson is the more conservative part of these two states?
If they do secede, this wall just got a whole lot more expensive. Not only building the wall with Mexico, now we’re going to have to wall off that whole new Socialist Workers of California country. Before they secede, please rescue all Marines at Camp Pendleton, Mirimar and MCRD San Diego...
CA should leave. I am not in favor of forcing people to stay in a relationship they no longer want.
In fact, I will donate to this cause if someone were to set up a GoFundMe or something.
Should California secede, the "red" counties will probably try to secede from California and form a new state, as western Virginia's counties did in 1861.
Why would anyone want to be belligerent(bellicose?) towards California while it is in transition to an independent country? We in the USA should try to help them not hinder them. Please explain.
If they do, can they take NYC and Ithaca with them?
If they do, can they take NYC and Ithaca with them?
Simply stop sharing water from the other surrounding states and Southern California is sol. There isn’t enough anyway as the liberals have been telling us for years.
Yes. All of the California counties that would comprise Jefferson, with the exception of Mendocino, are "red," and the same probably goes for the Oregon counties. If not for Portland, Oregon would be a "red" state.
Half a million American deaths prepaid this decision.
As fun as it is to say adios, the answer is NO.
They will just have to get with the program. Think George Wallace in the 1960s, only in reverse.
California is 45% federally-owned land — Park Service, Forest Service, BLM, military. What do they do about that?
California reminds me of Europe in one respect - their unwillingness to develop their own resources has left them dependent on others.
California can’t secede, until they figure out how to produce their own energy and impound their own water.
Count me in.
My family has lived in Southern California for over 100 years.
We are not Scum and my family is probably more accomplished than yours.
You would think that democrats would be leading the opposition to California's secession and demonstrating against it instead of running around in their pink pussy hats grossing people out.
Think about the impact on the balance of power in national elections if democrats were to lose California's 55 electoral votes.
Without California in the mix this last election would have been 306 electoral votes for Trump and 177 for Clinton.
Trump would have lost 3.9 million votes while Hillary would have lost a whopping 7.4 million votes - almost twice as many as Trump.
Which would likely take down Free Republic's server, and as such, this forum.
I get the basic point, but in reality, the 53 congressional districts would be reapportioned to the rest of the country (House would remain at 435 seats).
If the crazy uncle living in your attic wants to leave home and go out on his own then YOU LET HIM!
California is, or was, an agricultural powerhouse. Why should we give up such valuable land? Better to send the invaders back to Mexico and the leftists to Canada.
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