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New York Times Calls Trump Claim That Millions of Illegals Voted a “Lie”
The New American ^ | 24 January 2017 | Warren Mass

Posted on 01/25/2017 2:56:06 PM PST by detective

An article in the New York Times for January 23 carried an editorialized headline: “Trump Repeats Lie About Popular Vote in Meeting With Lawmakers.” (Not “Trump Repeats Assertion” or “Trump Repeats Claim,” but “Trump Repeats Lie.” The article was not found on the opinion page of the newspaper’s print edition, but on page A1.)   Reading very much like an opinion piece, the Times article stated: "President Trump used his first official meeting with congressional leaders on Monday to falsely claim that millions of unauthorized immigrants had robbed him of a popular vote majority, a return to his obsession with the election’s results even as he seeks support for his legislative agenda."

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TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: aliens; fakenews; first100days; media; nyts; trump; trump45; voterfraud
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To: mfish13
The NYT did not do any fact checking. Trump will.

Trump nor the New York Times know how many illegal aliens are in our nation. Trump and the New York Times both know many of them vote. The illegal aliens also know that for the past 8 years (actually 24 years) that include Obama, George W Bush and Clinton, you could vote with out fear even if you were an illegal alien.

I do think Trump did win the popular "legal vote."

Attorney General Sessions will answer these questions.

If you a a federal criminal the worst three words in the world are "Attorney General Session."

41 posted on 01/25/2017 3:32:14 PM PST by cpdiii (Deckhand, Roughneck, Mud Man, Geologist, Pilot, Pharmacist, THE CONSTITUTION IS WORTH DYING FOR.)
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To: detective

<><>Old Dominion University 2.8 million illegal voters

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/01/university-study-claims-2-8-million-non-citizens-voted-2008-large-enough-change-meaningful-election-outcomes/

<><>Social Security — 6.5-million recipients over the age of 112 years.

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/death-stop-social-security-payments/

<><>The Pew Center - a think tank favored by Control-LEFT media

http://www.pewtrusts.org/~/media/legacy/uploadedfiles/pcs_assets/2012/pewupgradingvoterregistrationpdf.pdf


42 posted on 01/25/2017 3:32:52 PM PST by ptsal
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To: detective
I'm working up an estimate of the potential illegal immigrant voting in California. Right now that estimate is just a "back of the envelope" calculation.

Here is the basic data:

Reference Date is Jan 2015. Best I have right now.
Number of illegals in California: 2,670,000
Population of California: 38,993,940
Number of Californians registered to vote: 17,717,936
Votes for President 2016: 14,181,595

Calculated: Percent of the California population that is illegal: 6.84%
Calculated: Percent of the California Registered to vote that are illegal: 6.84% (an upper limit I believe)
Calculated: Number of illegals who are registered in California: 1,213,186
Calculated: Number of illegals who voted in California in 2016: 971,044 (an upper limit for sure – IMHO)

Any of this data could be wrong. And the great uncertainty is the percentage of Illegals that actually registered and actually voted. It seems to me to be unlikely that they would do that at the same a citizens. So I believe that the number of illegals that actually voted is some fraction of 971,044. Still potentially a big number. But not enough by itself to give Trump the popular vote.

Comments welcome on the data and the conclusion.

43 posted on 01/25/2017 3:33:32 PM PST by InterceptPoint (Ted, you finally endorsed. About time.)
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To: detective

He said “illegal votes”, not illegals voting. Now, illegals voting could easily (and probably is) be part of the illegal votes, but so could people voting in multiple states and election officials stuffing the ballot box.


44 posted on 01/25/2017 3:33:37 PM PST by meyer (The Constitution says what it says, and it doesn't say what it doesn't say.)
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To: detective

Well, since Trump has ordered the FBI to investigate these fraudulent votes, esp. in CA (and I forget which other state), we’ll see who is lying. /of course we know it’s not Trump


45 posted on 01/25/2017 3:33:49 PM PST by piytar (http://www.truthrevolt.org/videos/bill-whittle-number-one-bullet)
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To: detective

How, exactly, does the Slimes know one way or the other?

California has made it ridiculously easy for illegals to vote then obamao went on tv and said they wouldn’t be punished if they did; not in so many words of course because that’s just how he rolls his blunts but close enough.


46 posted on 01/25/2017 3:34:52 PM PST by Boomer (You can't shame a fascist leftist (liberal) because they don't understand the concept of honor.)
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To: detective

And the Mediasaurus Tyrannus keeps shrieking “WOLF!!,” as it slowly sinks into the tar pits of history. It’s era has passed, and citizens wonder how it ever roamed the earth given its blundering movements and inability to recognize the change in climate.


47 posted on 01/25/2017 3:35:12 PM PST by Darteaus94025 (Can't have a Liberal without a Lie)
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To: Boomer

NYT finds it easy to prove a negative — “some sources say ...”


48 posted on 01/25/2017 3:36:27 PM PST by ClearCase_guy (Abortion is what slavery was: immoral but not illegal. Not yet.)
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To: detective

There are somewhere between 10 and 20 million illegals in this country, many of whom have been here for years. Is it crazy to think that 10% of them voted, which would be 1-2 million illegal votes?


49 posted on 01/25/2017 3:36:37 PM PST by Steve_Seattle
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To: A_Former_Democrat
"The Slimes could have said “an unproven allegation” etc but no, it just had to flat out call it a “lie.”"

Exactly. No one denies that there are 10-20 million illegals here, and if only 10% voted, that would be a large number.
50 posted on 01/25/2017 3:39:05 PM PST by Steve_Seattle
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To: detective

Who knows lies better than the New York Times? That’s their stock in trade.


51 posted on 01/25/2017 3:39:49 PM PST by IronJack
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To: InterceptPoint

“”Number of Californians registered to vote: 17,717,936
Votes for President 2016: 14,181,595””

Was the turnout really that high?


52 posted on 01/25/2017 3:40:45 PM PST by Presbyterian Reporter
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To: detective

Well Shep sure got the talking point.


53 posted on 01/25/2017 3:42:25 PM PST by Tammy8 (Please be a regular supporter of Free Republic !)
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To: detective
Scientist: "3,000 plant and animal species become extinct every year because of global warming."

Media reaction: Uncritical acceptance, despite the absence of empirical proof, much less any sort of list of the species which allegedly became extinct.

Trump: "2 million illegals voted."

Media reaction: "Prove it!!!"
54 posted on 01/25/2017 3:44:06 PM PST by Steve_Seattle
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To: detective

Trump probably already has the evidence, and will use it at the opportune time.


55 posted on 01/25/2017 3:45:56 PM PST by stillfree? (Sooooo Deplorable, but more ireedeemable.)
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To: Secret Agent Man

“At least you can reuse grocery bags.”

Yup! I use them when I clean out my kitty Mao’s litter box.


56 posted on 01/25/2017 3:47:14 PM PST by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra (Don't touch that thing Don't let anybody touch that thing!I'm a Doctor and I won't touch that thing!)
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To: detective

Unless the NYT can back up that headline, they would appear to be guilty of libel.

Notably, earlier today, CNN quietly capitulated to the Trump camp on the size of the inauguration crowd brouhaha.


57 posted on 01/25/2017 3:47:17 PM PST by Arm_Bears (Rope. Tree. Politician/Journalist. Some assembly required.)
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To: detective

Well, ya’ll better be checking CA .. it’s obvious illegals voted there - and 13% of illegals have admitted they voted.

I believe it’s called MOTOR/VOTER.

Just more of the liberals cheating their way to victory.


58 posted on 01/25/2017 3:48:31 PM PST by CyberAnt (Peace through Strength)
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To: BenLurkin

I sat back and asked myself what is the press going to do now.

I hate when I miss the obvious.


59 posted on 01/25/2017 3:49:49 PM PST by Eddie01
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To: InterceptPoint

How come you can do reasonable analysis and the NYT just declines and instead calls the President a liar?


60 posted on 01/25/2017 3:52:57 PM PST by KC Burke (Consider all of my posts as first drafts. (Apologies to L. Niven))
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