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Self-Driving Cars Will Decide Who Lives & Who Dies
Industrial Equipment News ^ | 1-18-2017 | Matt O'Brien

Posted on 01/18/2017 10:09:45 AM PST by fishtank

Self-Driving Cars Will Decide Who Lives & Who Dies

But how will they make that decision?

Contributor: Matt O'Brien

BOSTON (AP) — Imagine you're behind the wheel when your brakes fail. As you speed toward a crowded crosswalk, you're confronted with an impossible choice: veer right and mow down a large group of elderly people, or veer left into a woman pushing a stroller.

Now imagine you're riding in the back of a self-driving car. How would it decide?

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: cars
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To: marktwain

Technology is never a substitute for good management (decision making).

True. Technology just makes good management much, much easier.


We agree. Now how does technology fit in with bad management?


61 posted on 01/18/2017 10:47:29 AM PST by PeterPrinciple (Thinking Caps are no longer being issued but there must be a warehouse full of them somewhere.)
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To: Boogieman
As you speed toward a crowded crosswalk, you’re confronted with an impossible choice: veer right and mow down a large group of elderly people, or veer left into a woman pushing a stroller.

Plot twist: The elderly people are of minority decent and you're White.

My guess is that in such a scenario your driverless car is then programed to explode into a million pieces.

62 posted on 01/18/2017 10:47:41 AM PST by Obadiah
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To: Alberta's Child

I get your point.

But the manufacturers have always had the liability when their product are defective. I’m thinking of the old Audi acceleration problems. And the recent Jeep transmission lever problems and all the Takata airbags that are defective.

If a SDC kills someone, the manufacturer as well as the current owner will be sued to death.


63 posted on 01/18/2017 10:47:56 AM PST by Responsibility2nd
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To: Sales Rep; montag813

Agenda 21: It will be used to curtail and control individual movement: It will be the electro-mechanical equivalent of “your papers”.

If they decide you have been a naughty individualist, then your self driver will not be driving anywhere.


64 posted on 01/18/2017 10:49:47 AM PST by YogicCowboy ("I am not entirely on anyone's side, because no one is entirely on mine." - JRRT)
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To: Sans-Culotte

“I frankly don’t see it happening in our lifetimes. It’s like those flying cars that are always shown in depictions of the future. They’re a looooong way off IMO.”

Check this out!

http://money.cnn.com/2016/10/20/technology/airbus-flying-taxi/


65 posted on 01/18/2017 10:50:10 AM PST by TexasGator
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To: fishtank

How many like Windows 10 controlling your computer? I am not in control of my computer anymore. Getting used to it I guess...........................


66 posted on 01/18/2017 10:52:07 AM PST by PeterPrinciple (Thinking Caps are no longer being issued but there must be a warehouse full of them somewhere.)
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To: bIlluminati
Robots could replace 1.7 million American truckers in the next decade
67 posted on 01/18/2017 10:54:47 AM PST by Bubba_Leroy (Ding Dong the Witch is Dead!)
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To: TexasGator

Vahana? Sanskrit. Cute. But, somebody didn’t do their homework. Bad semiotics. The Vahana embodies the evil forces of the deity operating it.


68 posted on 01/18/2017 10:56:21 AM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: Obadiah

A company is already working on car pooling to replace taxis in New York City. The models claim that 13,000 taxis can be replaced by 3,000-4,000 self-driving cars. Since taxi medallions in New York City went for $1,050,000 in 2013, but currently go for $425,000 to $649,000 http://nycitycab.com/Business/TaxiMedallionList.aspx it looks as though self-driving cars of the future may already be affecting taxi medallion prices.


69 posted on 01/18/2017 10:56:30 AM PST by bIlluminati (Balance the budget. Defund the Left!)
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To: -YYZ-
But yeah, when it does come, we probably won’t own the cars anymore

I have heard that the business model will be for Ford or GM or Toyota to manufacture and retain ownership of a whole fleet of cars. Individuals will then buy a "monthly subscription". Your subscription tier will then allow you a certain amount of miles, in a certain class of car, either carpooling with other riders or privately. Maybe your subscription will allow you 500 "Ford credits" per month. A last minute, 5 mile, private trip in a luxury vehicle will be 10 Ford credits while car pooling, advance notice or older more economy vehicles will reduce the charge to 3 Ford credits.

If you need to go to the grocery store or to work or to the hardware store you will just pull out your phone (like with Uber) and order a car (or truck or van). It will show up in minutes and take you to where you need to go. No need to worry about parking, fuel, insurance, maintenance, accidents, etc...

There will certainly be limitations on privacy and independence that come along with the convenience. If the service works as described, I am thinking that people will gladly pay $100-$500 a month for a subscription to such a service.

70 posted on 01/18/2017 10:56:42 AM PST by nitzy
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To: PeterPrinciple

We agree. Now how does technology fit in with bad management?


See Dilbert.


71 posted on 01/18/2017 10:57:20 AM PST by bIlluminati (Balance the budget. Defund the Left!)
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To: Sans-Culotte
People will simply summon a ride via an Uber-type app and get chauffeured by the self-driving car to where they are going; same for the return trip.

And what happens when a large event (e.g. a concert or game) ends, and thousands of people suddenly summon a Uber-type service? Will people, angry over long waits, get into brawls over Ubercars as they arrive? Will people be killed?

Of course, such events may well be banned as climate threats by then so it won't matter.

72 posted on 01/18/2017 10:57:21 AM PST by Fresh Wind (Hillary: Go to jail. Go directly to jail. Do not pass GO. Do not collect 2 billion dollars.)
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To: Responsibility2nd
The manufacturer is only liable if the product is defective in some way ... the brakes fail, the gas pedal sticks, etc. In the case of a "normal" motor vehicle crash, the initial claims are filed through the drivers' auto insurance policies. With a self-driving vehicle, auto insurance as we know it is likely to disappear because all of the risks are now tied to the vehicle and have nothing to do with the driver.

This legal/insurance change isn't really the problem. The real problem is that once the car manufacturers are 100% liable in all crashes, they are likely to design their vehicles in a way that completely negates many of the potential advantages of self-driving vehicles -- i.e., they'll drive slowly, they'll maintain wide following distances, etc.

73 posted on 01/18/2017 10:58:02 AM PST by Alberta's Child ("Yo, bartender -- Jobu needs a refill!")
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To: Dr. Sivana

My thot too...


74 posted on 01/18/2017 11:04:01 AM PST by jonno (Having an opinion is not the same as having the answer...)
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To: fishtank

1) Reprogram the Kobayashi Maru scenario so that you win.
2) Eject the passengers forward out of the car and use them as breaks.
3) Aim for any solid barrier.
4) Turn harder.
5) Calculate the damage if brakes were to fail and slow down before hand.
6) Aim for the jihadist.
7) Aim for the woman in the burka, because she’s probably a jihadist in disguise.
8) Turn off the engine.
9) Apply parking brake.
10) Reverse gears.
11) Attempt 180.
12) Lift off. Hey, if it’s smart enough to determine the age of the people on the right or left, and that the woman on the left has a baby carriage, then it probably has rocket boosters.


75 posted on 01/18/2017 11:07:19 AM PST by DannyTN
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To: RepRivFarm

C. I have a philosophy:

If you cause me to be in an accident YOU will be IN that accident.


76 posted on 01/18/2017 11:08:17 AM PST by null and void (Roses are red, soylent is green. Get to the shelter, it's 2017)
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To: Honorary Serb

Drunks do! Just think of all the drunk drivers that would hit the road!


77 posted on 01/18/2017 11:15:02 AM PST by SgtHooper (If you remember the 60's, YOU WEREN'T THERE!)
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To: fishtank

It determines if the people are White Christian Males, muzzies, Blacks, gays, L, G, B or T, and mows down the White Christian Males.


78 posted on 01/18/2017 11:16:27 AM PST by I want the USA back (Yay Trump! Fuck You Bammy! We're so sick of you!)
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To: Red Badger

Yup! Whites are expendable, in a choice between AA’s and whites! VW will program them “properly”


79 posted on 01/18/2017 11:17:19 AM PST by SgtHooper (If you remember the 60's, YOU WEREN'T THERE!)
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To: NorthMountain

LOL! That Blues Brothers scene comes to mind, the Nazis on the bridge. LOL!


80 posted on 01/18/2017 11:18:23 AM PST by SgtHooper (If you remember the 60's, YOU WEREN'T THERE!)
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