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U.S. owes black people reparations for a history of ‘racial terrorism,’ says U.N. panel
www.washingtonpost.com ^ | September 27 | Ishaan Tharoor

Posted on 09/28/2016 2:10:04 AM PDT by kimtom

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To: kimtom

When is the UN going to pay reparations for all of those people that they raped in the Sudan, or with their inaction in Rwanda?


21 posted on 09/28/2016 3:16:07 AM PDT by castlegreyskull
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To: kimtom

When will Egypt pay reparations for enslaving the Jews? How far back should we go?


22 posted on 09/28/2016 3:16:56 AM PDT by castlegreyskull
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To: kimtom
From the 1600s to 1800 all of our ancestors were still in Europe (France, England, Denmark) and were simple common people; certainly too poor to own slaves. From 1800 to the 1920s my father's side was in Canada; too poor to own slaves. Mother's side just settling from England and Denmark; commoners, no money.

Went to school in a place where Whites, Asians, Blacks, and Hispanics were ALL in every classroom, and we don't remember a single racial clash. I don't remember people looking differently, either, other than skin color. I mean that I don't remember different clothing styles. In the late 60s and early 70s, I remember EVERYONE going weird with hair and cuts of clothes, and wild colors, and none of it being racial.

I was in the Air Force and in so. Texas before I, for the very first time at 17 years of age, witnessed a racial confrontation of any kind at all, and it was really only a few words, and it was over.

Reparations would be unjust to "a nation of immigrants" as all the elite like to emphasize. Probably a very large part of our population's ancestors where not in North America during the slave days, and very few ever involved with any slaves at all.

23 posted on 09/28/2016 3:17:26 AM PDT by John Leland 1789
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To: kimtom

What the hell? Is Russia giving reparations to the millions starved to death in Ukraine? Is Turkey ponying up for the Armenian genocide?

I almost would welcome the total collapse of society if it would stop this crap.


24 posted on 09/28/2016 3:17:35 AM PDT by Vermont Lt
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To: kimtom

Yes I agree, all Democrats should pay.


25 posted on 09/28/2016 3:18:23 AM PDT by GrandJediMasterYoda (By His wounds we are healed.)
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To: kimtom
"The dangerous ideology of white supremacy inhibits social cohesion amongst the US population."

that's false. First of all, Blacks represent about 13% of the US population. Non-hispanic whites account for about 63% of the population. So it may seem like white supremacy but, the fact is, there are a lot more white people than black people in America and, as such, white people have more power and that's not going to change any time soon.

Further confounding the matter is the fact that blacks have, to a large extent, created their own cultural identity in America and that is what inhibits social cohesion in this predominately white society.

Blacks have become their own culture and it is a counter culture to white culture and, as such, you can't blame whites for shunning it.

What's more, the Democrat party has gone to great lengths to keep blacks separate from whites. They do this by keeping them hyphenated first of all. An African-American is a hyphenated American and a hyphenated American is very much suggestive of a separate American. If you are black and you were born in America, you aren't African in any way shape or form. You have probably never even been to Africa and your parents probably never stepped foot in Africa. In all likelihood, your grandparents weren't African either. You're a red blooded American. You require no hyphens. so why carry that hyphen around?

26 posted on 09/28/2016 3:18:30 AM PDT by RC one (The 2nd Amendment is a doomsday provision, one designed for those exceptionally rare circumstances)
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To: kimtom
LOL!!! THE UN?!?!? The worldwide body of terrorists and tyrants that refuses to lift a finger to stop modern slavery spread throughout Africa and the Muslim nations "chastizes" the USA?

Bwahahahahaaaaaa!


27 posted on 09/28/2016 3:19:01 AM PDT by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: kimtom

The UN Panel needs to spend some time in “no go” areas in U.S. cities. Let them learn about “racial terror” firsthand.

Anyhow, the U.S. inherited slavery from the English and Spanish. If anyone is on the hook for reparations it’s those countries.


28 posted on 09/28/2016 3:29:47 AM PDT by Prolixus (Proud to be on Hillary's "Enemies List")
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To: kimtom
I agree with this in part. I think the Democrats should pay reparations for slavery, Jim Crow, and other institutions they created and fought to preserve.

And while they're at it, they can also pay Republicans reparations for the lives lost in ending slavery, and for the attacks on Republicans during the Civil Rights movement.

So, when do I get mine?

29 posted on 09/28/2016 3:36:39 AM PDT by TwelveOfTwenty (See my home page for some of my answers to the left's talking points.)
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To: Cowgirl of Justice
Let’s start with the UN paying reparations to its sexual slavery and trafficking victims first.

Good answer.

30 posted on 09/28/2016 3:37:29 AM PDT by TwelveOfTwenty (See my home page for some of my answers to the left's talking points.)
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To: kimtom
When will these African nations ever apologize or pay "reparations" for slavery?

Better yet, when will they end the practice?

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Slavery in modern Africa

Slavery in Africa continues today. Slavery existed in Africa before the arrival of Europeans - as did a slave trade that exported millions of sub-Saharan Africans to North Africa, the Middle East, and the Persian Gulf.[1] However, slavery and bondage are still African realities. Hundreds of thousands of Africans still suffer in silence in slave-like situations of forced labour and commercial sexual exploitation from which they cannot free themselves.

Modern-day enslavers also exploit lack of political will at the highest levels of some African governments to effectively tackle trafficking and its root causes. Weak interagency co-ordination and low funding levels for ministries tasked with prosecuting traffickers, preventing trafficking and protecting victims also enable traffickers to continue their operations. The transnational criminal nature of trafficking also overwhelms many countries' law enforcement agencies, which are not equipped to fight organized criminal gangs that operate across national boundaries with impunity.

Slavery by African country

Chad
IRIN (Integrated Regional Information Networks) of the UN Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs reports children being sold to Arab herdsmen in Chad. As part of a new identity imposed on them the herdsman "...change their name, forbid them to speak in their native dialect, ban them from conversing with people from their own ethnic group and make them adopt Islam as their religion."[2]

Mali
The Malian government denies that slavery exists, however, the slavery in Timbuktu is obvious. Slavery still continues with some Tuaregs holding Bella people.[3]

Mauritania
A system exists now by which Arab Muslims -- the bidanes -- own black slaves, the haratines.[4] An estimated 90,000 black Mauritanians remain essentially enslaved to Arab/Berber owners.[5] The ruling bidanes (the name means literally white-skinned people) are descendants of the Sanhaja Berbers and Beni Hassan Arab tribes who emigrated to northwest Africa and present-day Western Sahara and Mauritania during the Middle Ages.[6] According to some estimates, up to 600,000 black Mauritanians, or 20% of the population, are still enslaved, many of them used as bonded labour.[7] Slavery in Mauritania was finally criminalized in August 2007.[8] Malouma Messoud, a former Muslim slave has explained her enslavement to a religious leader:

"We didn't learn this history in school; we simply grew up within this social hierarchy and lived it. Slaves believe that if they do not obey their masters, they will not go to paradise. They are raised in a social and religious system that everyday reinforces this idea.[9]"

In Mauritania, despite slave ownership having been banned by law in 1981, hereditary slavery continues.[10] Moreover, according to Amnesty International:

"Not only has the government denied the existence of slavery and failed to respond to cases brought to its attention, it has hampered the activities of organisations which are working on the issue, including by refusing to grant them official recognition".[11]

Imam El Hassan Ould Benyamin of Tayarat in 1997 expressed his views about earlier proclamations ending slavery in his country as follows:

"[it] is contrary to the teachings of the fundamental text of Islamic law, the Quran ... [and] amounts to the expropriation from muslims of their goods; goods that were acquired legally. The state, if it is Islamic, does not have the right to seize my house, my wife or my slave."[12]

Niger
In Niger, where the practice of slavery was outlawed in 2003, a study found that almost 8% of the population are still slaves.[13] Slavery dates back for centuries in Niger and was finally criminalised in 2003, after five years of lobbying by Anti-Slavery International and Nigerian human-rights group, Timidria.[14] More than 870,000 people still live in conditions of forced labour, according to Timidria, a local human rights group.[15][16]

Descent-based slavery, where generations of the same family are born into bondage, is traditionally practiced by at least four of Niger's eight ethnic groups. The slave masters are mostly from the nomadic tribes -- the Tuareg, Fulani, Toubou and Arabs.[17] It is especially rife among the warlike Tuareg, in the wild deserts of north and west Niger, who roam near the borders with Mali and Algeria.[18] In the region of Say on the right bank of the river Niger, it is estimated that three-quarters of the population around 1904-1905 was composed of slaves.[19]

Historically, the Tuareg swelled the ranks of their slaves during war raids into other peoples' lands. War was then the main source of supply of slaves, although many were bought at slave markets, run mostly by indigenous peoples.[20][21]

Sudan
Francis Bok, former Sudanese slave. At the age of seven, he was captured during a raid in Southern Sudan, and enslaved for ten years.(Courtesy Unitarian Universalist Association/Jeanette Leardi)

There has been a recrudescence of jihad slavery since 1983 in the Sudan.[23][24]

Slavery in the Sudan predates Islam, but continued under Islamic rulers and has never completely died out in Sudan. In the Sudan, Christian and animist captives in the civil war are often enslaved, and female prisoners are often used sexually, with their Muslim captors claiming that Islamic law grants them permission.[25] According to CBS news, slaves have been sold for $50 apiece. [1] In 2001 CNN reported the Bush administration was under pressure from Congress, including conservative Christians concerned about religious oppression and slavery, to address issues involved in the Sudanese conflict.[26] CNN has also quoted the U.S. State Department's allegations: "The [Sudanese] government's support of slavery and its continued military action which has resulted in numerous deaths are due in part to the victims' religious beliefs." [2]

Jok Madut Jok, professor of History at Loyola Marymount University, states that the abduction of women and children of the south by north is slavery by any definition. The government of Sudan insists that the whole matter is no more than the traditional tribal feuding over resources.[27]

It is estimated that as many as 200,000 people had been taken into slavery during the Second Sudanese Civil War. The slaves are mostly Dinka people.[28][29]

South Africa
Despite significant efforts made by the South African Government to combat trafficking in persons the country has been placed on the "Tier 2 Watch List" by the US Department of Trafficking in Persons,for the past four years.[47] South Africa shares borders with Namibia, Botswana, Zimbabwe, Lesotho, Mozambique and Swaziland. It has 72 official ports of entry "and a number of unofficial ports of entry where people come in and out without being detected" along its 5 000 km-long land borderline. The problem of porous borders is compounded by the lack of adequately trained employees, resulting in few police officials controlling large portions of the country's coastline.

Child slave trade
The trading of children has been reported in modern Nigeria and Benin.[30] The children are kidnapped or purchased for $20 - $70 each by slavers in poorer states, such as Benin and Togo, and sold into slavery in sex dens or as unpaid domestic servants for $350.00 each in wealthier oil-rich states, such as Nigeria and Gabon.[31] [32]

Ghana, Togo, Benin
In parts of Ghana, a family may be punished for an offense by having to turn over a virgin female to serve as a sex slave within the offended family.[33] In this instance, the woman does not gain the title of "wife". In parts of Ghana, Togo, and Benin, shrine slavery persists, despite being illegal in Ghana since 1998. In this system of slavery, sometimes called trokosi (in Ghana) or voodoosi in Togo and Benin, or ritual servitude, young virgin girls are given as slaves in traditional shrines and are used sexually by the priests in addition to providing free labor for the shrine.[34]

Ethiopia
Mahider Bitew, Children's Rights and Protection expert at the Ministry of Women's Affairs, says that some isolated studies conducted in Dire Dawa, Shashemene, Awassa and three other towns of the country indicate that the problem of child trafficking is very serious. According to a 2003 study about one thousand children were trafficked via Dire Dawa to countries of the Middle East. The majority of those children were girls, most of whom were forced to be sex workers after leaving the country. The International Labor Organization (ILO) has identified prostitution as the Worst Form of Child Labor.[35]

In Ethiopia, children are trafficked into prostitution, to provide cheap or unpaid labor and to work as domestic servants or beggars. The ages of these children are usually between 10 and 18 and their trafficking is from the country to urban centers and from cities to the country. Boys are often expected to work in activities such as herding cattle in rural areas and in the weaving industry in Addis Ababa, and other major towns. Girls are expected to take responsibilities for domestic chores, childcare and looking after the sick and to work as prostitutes.[35]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_modern_Africa

Or,

http://web.archive.org/web/20160108090835/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_modern_Africa%3C/a%3E

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The Price in Blood
Casualties in the Civil War

At least 618,000 Americans died in the Civil War, and some experts say the toll reached 700,000.

The number that is most often quoted is 620,000. At any rate, these casualties exceed the nation's loss in all its other wars, from the Revolution through Vietnam.

The Union armies had from 2,500,000 to 2,750,000 men. Their losses, by the best estimates:
Battle deaths: 110,070
Disease, etc: 250,152
Total 360,222

The Confederate strength, known less accurately because of missing records, was from 750,000 to 1,250,000. Its estimated losses:
Battle deaths: 94,000
Disease, etc: 164,000
Total: 258,000

http://civilwarhome.com/casualties.htm

31 posted on 09/28/2016 3:47:06 AM PDT by ETL (God PLEASE help America...Never Hillary!)
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To: kimtom

The parasite population has a new plan. What the taxpayers need is a better parasiticide.


32 posted on 09/28/2016 3:48:46 AM PDT by Neoliberalnot (Marxism works well only with the uneducated and the unarmed)
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To: HotKat
My ancestors arrived post Civil War.

Mine came over after (~1870) as well. In fact, the MAJORITY of whites today are descended from European immigrants who came over after the Civil war and thus never owned slaves. Of course even among those descended from bloodlines that came over on the Mayflower have ever owned slaves themselves, and they likely have bloodlines mixed with those who never owned slaves over the generations. I know, the obvious (progressive) solution is if you look white, you pay.

33 posted on 09/28/2016 3:48:49 AM PDT by LambSlave
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To: kimtom
New York Times
April 11, 1997

"Mayor Giuliani, who said the international body was on the verge of becoming a laughingstock, began talking half-seriously about the fancy hotels and apartment buildings that could be built on the site if United Nations members carried through on their threats to leave.

Speaking to a group of reporters in his office, he said: "They are making a little bit of a joke out of the U.N. by threatening to take a parking violations case to the World Court. It was not put together by treaty to argue out special-interest parking situations for diplomats."

Instead of settling wars and resolving human rights violations, he said, the institution was "defining diplomacy down" by arguing about parking tickets.

Mr. Giuliani was no kinder to the State Department, which just last month, in a public ceremony, signed an agreement with the city to force diplomats to pay their parking tickets on the threat of removing their plates. With State Department officials now seeking to remove the teeth from that agreement, the Mayor accused them of cowering to overblown United Nations threats to leave the United States over the parking rules, and said the diplomats’ bluff should be called.

"If they’d like to leave New York over parking tickets, then we can find another use for that area of town," he said. "It happens to be just about the most valuable real estate in the world, not just in the United States. That is enormously valuable real estate, and with the vacancy rates that exist in the city of New York, can you imagine what we could do with that?"

In case anyone thought he was bluffing, he had city lawyers check the United Nations lease to determine who gets the riverfront property if the institution leaves town.
(Answer: the Federal Government could use it; if it did not want it, the city would have next crack.)..."

http://www.nytimes.com/1997/04/11/nyregion/parking-ticket-uproar-at-un-for-now-peace-has-no-chance.html

34 posted on 09/28/2016 3:49:09 AM PDT by ETL (God PLEASE help America...Never Hillary!)
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To: kimtom
Formation of the United Nations:

"Alger Hiss (November 11, 1904 - November 15, 1996) was an American lawyer, government official, author, and lecturer. He was involved in the establishment of the United Nations both as a U.S. State Department and U.N. official. Hiss was accused of being a Soviet spy in 1948 and convicted of perjury in connection with this charge in 1950.

On August 3, 1948, Whittaker Chambers, a former Communist Party member, testified under subpoena before the House Committee on Un-American Activities (HUAC) that Hiss had secretly been a Communist while in federal service. Chambers had previously testified under oath that Hiss had never been a Communist or a spy, and Chambers would admit, under oath, to other instances where he had committed perjury under oath. Called before HUAC, Hiss categorically denied the charge. When Chambers repeated his claim on nationwide radio, Hiss filed a defamation lawsuit against him.

During the pretrial discovery process, Chambers produced new evidence indicating that he and Hiss had been involved in espionage, which both men had previously denied under oath to HUAC. A federal grand jury indicted Hiss on two counts of perjury; Chambers admitted to the same offense but, as a cooperating government witness, was never charged. Although Hiss's indictment stemmed from the alleged espionage, he could not be tried for that crime because the statute of limitations had expired."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hiss_Case

35 posted on 09/28/2016 3:50:06 AM PDT by ETL (God PLEASE help America...Never Hillary!)
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To: TwelveOfTwenty
Screw the UN! Who exactly are they to tell us we “owe” anyone? In fact, the UN owes the US and needs to pony up or shut up. As for blacks being owed reparation for slavery, I will agree to pay any living “slave” they bring forward who actually lived prior to the civil war being fought to free slaves.
36 posted on 09/28/2016 3:55:14 AM PDT by DaveA37
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To: kimtom

We could say we all deserve reparations , because we are all paying 20 trillion in debt, to the rich. The debt is done purposely so that we have to pay not only the debt, but all of the interest to the thieves.I should say that some of us pay taxes.


37 posted on 09/28/2016 3:56:16 AM PDT by Carry me back (Cut the feds by 90%9)
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To: kimtom

Arab Slave Trade

The Arab slave trade was the practice of slavery in the Arab world, mainly in Western Asia, North Africa, Southeast Africa, the Horn of Africa and certain parts of Europe (such as Iberia and Sicily) beginning in the era of the Roman Empire and continuing until the early second half of the 20th century.

The trade was conducted through slave markets in the Middle East, North Africa and the Horn of Africa, with the slaves captured mostly from Africa’s interior.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_slave_trade

38 posted on 09/28/2016 4:00:22 AM PDT by ETL (God PLEASE help America...Never Hillary!)
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To: kimtom

Just one more reason for the US to defund the UN.

This is just the UN doing their part to help Hillary because she is hemhoraging black voters.


39 posted on 09/28/2016 4:01:38 AM PDT by Buckeye Battle Cry (Higgs-Boson 2016! Black Matter Lives!!!)
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To: kimtom

Arab views on African people

From Arab literature, manifestations of racism and racist discrimination subsequently followed within the Arab world.[85]

For example, an Arab poet in the 7th century wrote: “The blacks do not earn their pay by good deeds, and are not of good repute; The children of a stinking Nubian black—God put no light in their complexions!”[86]

Ethnic prejudices developed among Arabs for at least two reasons:

1) their extensive conquests and slave trade;[85]

and

2) the influence of Aristotle’s idea of final causes which argues that slaves are slaves by nature.[87]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_slave_trade#Arab_views_on_African_people

40 posted on 09/28/2016 4:07:45 AM PDT by ETL (God PLEASE help America...Never Hillary!)
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