Posted on 04/20/2016 2:16:09 PM PDT by markomalley
Donald Trump professed his love for waterboarding during a campaign rally in Indianapolis, Indiana on Wednesday calling it “great.”
While discussing ISIS, Trump said, “Now we’re living in medieval times. We’re weak, we’re ineffective.”
After slamming Ted Cruz for his “weak, pathetic answer” at a debate regarding waterboarding, Trump said, “They asked me, What do you think about waterboarding, Mr. Trump?’ I said I love it. I love it, I think it’s great. And I said the only thing is, we should make it much tougher than waterboarding, and if you don’t think it works folks, you’re wrong. But you know, there are laws, we have laws that we have to abide by.”
“So I say we’re going to have to strengthen the laws and toughen up the laws, and we’re going to have to make ourselves tougher because they can chop off heads, they can drown people in steel cages,” Trump argued.
ISIS “can put people in steel cages by 25 and 50 people and drop them in the water and pull them up an hour later and we can’t waterboard,” Trump fumed. “How stupid are we? How stupid are we?”
Woo hoo
Absolutely no problem with waterboarding or whatever means to get information to save American lives....
I was thinking the same thing too. “I love it and think that its great”
As long as he means using it on suspected terrorists and not Cruz supporters, I agree.
In fact, they could set up a waterboarding attraction at Disney and people would wait in line for it.
Same people who argue that waterboarding is cruel and unusual or torture, are usually not only fine with ripping babies apart and selling their body parts, but even often say abortion restrictions are torture.
IIRC, waterboarding led SEALS to OBL.
I totally agree. There is no hope of winning when we keep tying one hand behind our backs.
Trump does have his good points.
Trump hits another out of the park. waterboard, public humiliation, use of pork in multiple ways.
People (liberals) will cry, “Geneva Convention!!!”
They need to read it then...It covers only uniformed National troops...Not guerillas, such as IS or Taliban or other Muslim groups.
Even the Fourth Geneva Convention refers to the purposeful killing of civilians as illegal...Key word...PURPOSEFUL...
+1,000
Even one of the CIA big boys said it could be revived if conditions warrant it.
So Donald agrees with the CIA...
Those who condemn waterboarding can read right? Then why would they complain about its use on terrorists more than on its use on our own elite soldiers?
The answer is that it really is not "torture" in the sense they claim it is. In a broad sense if "torture" is to mean forcing somebody to endure something they do not like, than all forms of punishment and imprisonment are "torture". But in the sense that the word means something so awful and inhumane it is never morally justifiable under any circumstances, it would not be something we would have let happen to our own soldiers in training, and if it had been done there would be complete outrage on everybody's part.
The point is illustrative of a classical error in logic turning on an equivocation. A deductive representation of the argument against waterboarding:
Premise 1) Waterboarding is torture.
Premise 2) Torture is always morally wrong.
Concludion: Waterboarding is always morally wrong.
The problem is that premise 1 and 2 can only be established by using the term "waterboarding" in different senses as I described above.
A more obvious example of the same fallacy of equivocation can be seen in this argument:
Premise 1) A bank is a good place to keep your money
Premise 2) There is a bank along the edge of the creek.
Conclusion: The edge of the creek is a good place to keep your money.
Of course premise 1 and premise 2 are using the term "bank" in different senses. Like "waterboarding" in the other argument, if you use the same sense in both premises, you can't justify both at once.
Let me be the first with an appropriate response: Impeach Trump.
Trump may have criminal instincts. He is definitely an idiot.
You tell em Mr President
Could you please take the time to justify how supporting waterboarding is so wrong without relying on the fallacy I described in post 15? I am interested in how one might do that.
I wish he would follow up with:
And After I am elected and Hillary is in Prison I am going to Waterboard Her to see how many State Secrets she actually sold.
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