Posted on 04/19/2016 8:31:08 AM PDT by markomalley
When the Missouri Republican Party held their county caucuses across the state April 9, they selected slates of delegates that will go to the state and congressional districts to vote for the final delegates sent to Cleveland for the Republican National Convention this summer.
But some Republicans, namely supporters of real estate mogul Donald Trump, are raising their eyebrows at the process and raising their voices to oppose what they see as unfair practices.
Among them is Ellisville Mayor Adam Paul, who attended the Wild Horse township caucus in St. Louis County. At that caucus, Paul said that former Missouri House Speaker Tim Jones also attended, despite the fact that he lives in the Meramac township on Wild Horse’s southern border. Paul said Jones brought a slate of candidates that supported second place Republican presidential candidate Texas Sen. Ted Cruz, and eventually, Jones’ slate of candidates won.
While Paul recognized that Jones and his supporters followed the rules and procedures, the decision made at the caucus troubles Paul.
“Those things don’t pass the smell test,” he said. “We had a slate that we presented which was more a reflection of the will of the people, and their slate was filled with Cruz supporters.”
Those Cruz supporters could come into play at the national convention that eventually chooses the final nominee. Each state picks their delegates in their own way, as determined by the state party. In Missouri, a presidential preference primary is held. Trump edged out Cruz by fewer than 2,000 votes March 15, but he won in certain places to give him a favorable allotment of delegates. As the Missouri GOP site explains, Trump will receive 12 of Missouri’s 52 pledged delegates for winning the state and another 25 for winning five of Missouri’s eight congressional districts (five delegates per district). Cruz will get the other 15 pledged delegates for winning the other three congressional districts.
Those delegates are selected in two places: at the state convention and at congressional district (CD) conventions. The county and township caucuses select slates of delegate candidates to attend both the state convention and the CD conventions. Each CD convention will select three delegates for a total of 24 delegates, then at the state convention, 25 delegates will be selected.
The other three delegates are automatic delegates. Missouri COP Chairman John Hancock, National Committeewoman to the Republican National Committee (RNC) representing Missouri Susie Eckelkamp, and Missouri’s delegate to the RNC’s Rules Committee Lance Beshore are those three delegates.
So what does all of this have to do with Cruz supporters potentially stuffing county and township caucuses? The race between Cruz and Trump is relatively close at this point in the race, and national media as well as Republican party officials have mused on the possibility of a contested convention. At a contested convention, delegates must vote how they are pledged by their state’s in an initial round of voting, but afterwards, they may vote essentially as they please if no candidate gets more than 50 percent of the vote.
If Trump does not hit the 1,237 delegate mark, who the delegates support rather than who states voted for could matter a great deal. Trump supporters like Paul are taking notice.
“This is shedding a negative light on the process of the delegates to a larger group of people, and they’re realizing ‘What’s the point of going to a primary and voting in Missouri when your delegates aren’t going to be appropriately’,” he said.
Paul pointed toward delegate selection in other states, like Colorado, where Cruz won all 34 of the state’s delegates in a private party convention without a presidential preference vote.
However, officials within the party, including Missouri GOP Executive Director Jonathon Prouty, believe these fears are overblown, especially because delegates have yet to be selected. CD conventions are held April 30, and the state convention is not until May 23.
“Somebody might be trying to make a prediction by who they saw elected at the county caucuses, but those delegates, the national delegates, have not been selected yet,” he said.
Pat Thomas, secretary of the Missouri GOP, also notes that these rules have existed for quite some time and that the backlash against standard procedure may be a result of a bizarre election season that has brought in unlikely candidates and unlikely voters. Before this election season, she says, Missouri had no reason to change the procedures.
“Usually, we’re in a situation where by the time Missouri votes, somebody gets 50 percent plus one or there’s really only one viable candidate left,” Thomas said. “This is just an anomaly of a thunderstorm that has hit that people just all of a sudden who have not ever or been very limited in the process. Maybe they’ve shown up and voted and now all of a sudden, they’re like ‘Oh but you’re hurting my rights,’ and we haven’t really changed anything.”
She also said that Colorado had not paid for a presidential preference election for the last few election cycles. In Missouri, the government spent around $7 million on the election in March.
Paul believes a simplification of the process and delegate allocation could go a long way to reducing those frustrations.
“A winner-take-all primary is a clear referendum of who we want to choose for our nomination,” he said. “Political Kabuki theater is thwarted when you have a process like that. I think that the process right now, it allows for political insiders and campaigns to push for a strategic movement that only benefits themselves.”
Thomas does not believe that is the answer.
“When [Trump] only won by 0.2 [percent], should we have been a winner-take-all?” she asked rhetorically. “Even now, the Cruz people are saying, ‘Well, is the proportional even really fair?’ because it’s so close.”
Paul notes that should a contested convention happen and Trump does not emerge as the party’s nominee despite a current difference of nearly 2 million votes, it could have a negative impact on the party.
“This is going to throw a wedge into the Republican party if Trump wins the majority of delegates that are bound but not the nomination. I think that’s really going to damage the party,” he said.
It’s possible it already has.
(I would post another inflammatory comment by a Trump surrogate, but you already have the idea)
It’s becoming more and more obvious that the people of the US don’t have a say in who will be running for the presidency...Totally shameful...
Torches, pitchforks and other more modern forms of persuasion. If the GOPe succeeds in this delegate travesty, there will be hell to pay. Take that to the bank.
” backlash against standard procedure”
Seems it could be the “standard procedure” that has been in place has perhaps been working more FOR the establishment than for the voter.
If so, then a ‘backlash’ is long overdue!
The problem is that any political party is a private organization (private as in not governmental).
Each of these organizations, whether the GOP, the Democrats, the Libertarians, the Greens, the Constitution Party, or whichever, sets its own rules.
You don't like how the state parties set their rules for selecting candidates...my personal beef is state parties allowing for open primaries (after all, it was open primaries that gave us John McLame back in 2008).
If a prospective candidate doesn't like the rules of the party, he can either go find another party where he likes the rules or work within the party machinery to change the rules so that they are more to his liking...
Or the candidate could run as an independent and say to heck with the parties.
I suggest that for Trump, in all seriousness, as his popularity seems to transcend party politics. He could actually be a viable non-party candidate and could knock a hole in the two-party system we have here.
You don’t need inflammatory comments from Trump supporters. You have all that’s needed with Ted Cruz’ constant celebration over ‘delegates’ rather than ‘voters.’
Stand on the rules. That’s okay. They aren’t going to work in a General Election.
“This is going to throw a wedge into the Republican party if Trump wins the majority of delegates that are bound but not the nomination. I think that’s really going to damage the party,” he said.
It’s possible it already has
Freaking nuts to worry about the “Party/Politburo” and not even mention worrying about the COUNTRY!!!!!
>> Nothing like Byzantine rules...
The article said Trump was a ‘mogul’.
Shouldn’t a real mogul inherently be skilled at navigating Byzantine rules?
I prefer the closed primaries where the people have their say....
Buncha BS— how about a candidate wins all or a portion of the delegates from the people voting, period. The delegates are bound to the candidate up until the convention. If there is a brokered convention then they can hash it out at that time. None of the sneaky conniving wheeling-dealing in-between the primary/caucus votes and the convention.
Republicans should vote in the republican primary...
Democrats vote in the democratic primary...
Registered Independents ask for either ballot or vote for an independent candidate...
My opinion....
Totally agree.......
Sure we do. You or I could run if we chose to, which illustrates what I think the problem is - there are only two parties.
It seems to me that all too often people offer a backlash against standard procedure only when it does not benefit their perceived interests. For all intents and purposes, the race was essentially tied, but because Trump’s cumulative majority in five districts was slightly larger than Cruz’s cumulative majority in the other three, he gets the lion’s share of the votes on the first ballot—not many of the Trump supporters complain about that. Because Cruz and his guys on the ground are more actively involved, they likely will have the lion’s share on any subsequent ballots.
This isn’t the same as splitting things 26-26 (or 25-24), but there does seem some justice involved for both sides.
So, the state GOP chairman says not to worry, because the county caucus slate of delegates (having been loaded with delegates supportive of a specific nominee who did not win the county voters' endorsement) have not yet become congressional district or state delegates. No discussion is presented regarding whether all county delegations have been similarly loaded, but this guy's advice is to wait until delegates are chosen at the state level before identifying issues at the county level.
Any bets on whether he would say it's "too late" to complain, once the state delegation is set?
And they wonder why regular people do not want to live and work in the political arena.
Does Cruz or the GOP expect any Republican to vote in any way for them who have knowledge of these things?
We know this is the GOP in conjunction with Cruz here.
I'm going to write them both off I think.
I only see two scenarios where I get behind the GOP this year.
#1 Trump wins nomination.
#2. Trump and Cruz team up.
Beyond that I see last election as the last time I vote for Republicans, especially for lawyers and a proved weasel like Ted Cruz.
Then go ahead and run.....
The setup I described would put an end to outrages like the theft of that primary runoff for Cochran. Looking back, is that actually the day the Republican Party died? We didn't know it yet.
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