Hah!
Beck would lose it if that happened.
Posted on 03/16/2016 12:25:38 PM PDT by ifinnegan
Should Cruz drop out?
I want to throw that question out in a thread for discussion.
I say yes.
Yes because the RNC strategy is to run out the clock and hit the convention without a winner.
They think splitting the vote is their best strategy to dilute Trump's delegate count over the rest of the primary.
I say let the RNC really have it their way and make the rest of the primaries be a referendum on Trump or the RNC.
Their man Kasich vs Trump, one on one.
No one can say that is not fair and clear.
Should Kasich drop out? Many have noted that Trump seems to have a ceiling of about 50%. If this is so, Cruz has a chance to win the nomination before the Convention if Kasich drops out. If it is NOT true (as every Trump supporter is yelling right now), then Trump can win before the convention if Kasich drops out. Kasich needs 1095 delegates to reach 1237, and there are only 1079 available now, so he cannot win before the Convention. Kasich's ONLY reason to stay is to PREVENT either of our main option, Trump or Cruz, from earning the spot before the GOPe can steal it from them both, deny the GOP voters' choice, and name their own milquetoast to hand the win to Hillary so that the UniParty can continue unscathed in a year when 2/3 of both parties were totally against the Establishment.
It is Kasich who should drop out, and let Trump v Cruz happen, and let the GOP voters pick their candidate, not the establishment delegates and the RNC in a Convention.
Would beginning to support a candidate and put the bitter rivalry behind us be a good thing yes... but I wouldn’t bet on it happening.
Absolutely not. If Trump wants it, make him win it.
Kasich, on the other han, yes. He can remain in the race only as a scam to steal votes away from a candidate who actually can win. He is a defacto Trump surrogate whether that’s how hw sees himself or not.
It’s. Nasty business, and Kasich is revealed as a nasty man with evil intent.
Both remaining candidates with respecable delegate counts ought to take Kasih to the woodshed for low-life he is.
Sounds good but Beck would stab Cruz or anyone to death. Beck near Cruz is poison for me.
Bugger off, Puny.
“I think Cruz has been trying to get to a two-man race against The Donald, thinking he can win that, and results suggest maybe he can.”
That kind of inspired the question.
Does the RNC think they can beat Trump in a two man race with their man Kasich?
I don’t think they do.
I want Cruz to stay in. Now, if he wants to withdraw at the convention to prevent a floor fight, that would be fine with me.
Hah!
Beck would lose it if that happened.
Jim, that’s a desire often expressed on FR, but I wonder - since the VP works for the President, what would Cruz supporters think of a Cruz who negotiates a position that makes him subservient to Trump, and where he would be responsible for helping to advance the Trump agenda?
As a Trump guy, I want to see him pick the best person who brings the most to the VP position, and I’m not sure that is Ted Cruz. I say that not to diminish Cruz’s abilities, I just see him better suited to the Supreme Court, where I really believe he would be the next Scalia.
Cruz needs to debate Donald and that is over. In Ted’s mind he is the best at debating and it is off the table.
Kasich will play as well and probably a bit better than Cruz in the mid atlantic and north east.... There is no way for him to get the nomination, but without Kasich in the race, Trump tops 50% and triggers the WTA clauses in most of the remaining states that are hybrid.
With Kasich in the race, Trump’s delegate count actually grows slower than it does without him in the race IMHO.
Not so. His path is narrow but honest.
Not so for Kasich. His candadicy is based entirely on stealing votes away from the two viable ones left.
Cruz and Trump will control the convention, and they should make it loud and public that they will not allow Kasich’s name place in nomination, that he will not. Be allowed to speak at the conventoin, and that his delegates will be frozen out of every commitee possible.
“After 10 months in the Senate, he decides he/s presidential timber.”
Oh, you mean like 0bemba?
The purpose of the primary process is to eliminate the bottom tier of candidates. As such, when it is no longer possible for a candidate to win, it is appropriate for them to drop out. One can even argue that when it becomes clear that there is not enough support within the party, the candidate should drop out.
Sen Cruz has not yet crossed either of those two points. One can easily argue that his chances are diminishing and that his is approaching these points. But also understand that the nomination is not the be all, end all, of the nomination process.
There is a whole lot of horse trading that goes on at a convention. If you support me with this (legislation, position, nomination, etc) then I will tell my supporters to support you.... etc. To that end, a non-nominee candidate can often obtain more concessions based upon their number of delegates.
Now given all of this, I want Sen Cruz to trade for a viable position for him. One example would be a nomination to SCOTUS. Another reason that I want him to stay in is for the possibility of a VP position. That would make it virtually impossible for the GOPe to nominate anyone else except a Trump/Cruz ticket without tearing the party apart.
“Brokered convention Cruz is the odd man out.”
I’m not so sure. The GOPs talking heads made a miraculous rush to prop Cruz up last night. Cruz already has all the GOPe apparatus installed. Kasich could just be a decoy.
If Trump makes a deal with Rubio he does an end run.
Cruz should offer the VP spot to Kasich in exchange for Kasich dropping out. Then we’ll see who can get a majority of the GOP voters to back whom in a 1-1 race.
There was a poll a week ago that showed Trump loses to Rubio or Cruz in a one-on-one. Hard to imagine Kasich wouldn’t beat him too with this margin.
Cruz beats Trump 54 percent to 41 percent among all registered Republicans, and Rubio beats him 51 percent to 41 percent.
http://www.langerresearch.com/wp-content/uploads/1176a1The2016Primaries.pdf
I don’t agree with your analysis. Kasich in the mix hurts Cruz, not Trump.
Rubio brings nothing, no legislative experience to speak of, and obviously not Florida. Kasich would bring Ohio as well as legislative and gubenatorial experience. Newt would bring legislative experience and his other attributes, as well as some baggage. But I think Trump will be looking for a VP along the lines of Gingrich and Kasich.
Trump is now reaping the results of his crassness and vicious ad hominem attacks on everyone he saw as a potential threat.
So the thinking at Trump’s Mar-a-Lago is do we apologize to Sen Cruz and sew this up now or do we keep up the antics and every day worry that the GOPe and the msm might unleash their bombshell attacks and take the chance that one just might hit the central magazine storage area?
If they say “screw Cruz”,they not only have to deal with him now but also as the preeminent conservative in the Senate through which all things will pass. If he stood up in the Senate and called McConnell a liar( which has never been denied by McConnell or any other Senator at that meeting)do you think he is going to compromise on Trump’s Iran Treaty, SCOTUS nomination etc?
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