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Israel Reconsidering 2008 Purchase of U.S. Jets
Israel National News ^ | Feb 29, 2016 | Hillel Fendel

Posted on 02/29/2016 5:45:08 AM PST by sukhoi-30mki

Israel Reconsidering 2008 Purchase of U.S. Jets; Cabinet Mulls Cancelling Acquisition of Flawed Fighter-Jet Rejected By Most NATO Air Forces

A welcome decision made back in 2008 to purchase U.S.-made Joint Strike Fighter (JSF) jets no longer appears very attractive in 2016 – and Israel is considering backtracking on it.

So say Israeli government sources quoted by Middle East Newsline (MENL).

For one thing, the much-touted JSF has some inherent flaws, such as inadequate range, weapons payload and stealth capability. In addition, the Americans refuse to share the JSF source code with Israel. Israel would not be able to modify the platform to fit its needs, and would have to send damaged engines to Turkey or the U.S. for repairs.

According to the sources, some Israeli Cabinet members say the state-of-the-art version of the F-35 jet is outright "flawed." Israel could find itself "increasingly dependent" on a fighter-jet that has been rejected by most NATO air forces, the sources say.

Until the JSF reaches its full potential, a highly-placed source said, "we will have dozens of very expensive aircraft with limited capabilities."

Back in September 2008, the U.S. Defense Department approved the sale of 25 F-35 stealth-enabled Joint Strike Fighters to Israel's air force. The $15.2 billion deal included an option to buy 50 additional bombers in ensuing years.

Israel was particularly interested in the plane because of its short takeoff and vertical landing capabilities. It was assumed that in war-time, Israeli bases and runways were liable to be heavily targeted by enemy missiles, rendering them all but unusable. The F-35B, with its ability to hover, land vertically, and take off vertically with a light load, would be invaluable under such circumstances. In addition, it needs only a few hundred feet of runway to take off when fully-loaded.

Even back then, however, manufacturer Lockheed-Martin faced claims that the jet performed poorly in tests and combat simulations. The company insisted that the JSF was the most advanced fighter of its class available.

Israel is currently expecting 33 F-35A jets, to arrive in two batches. The first aircraft are expected to arrive by 2017. Over 20 of them were supposed to have arrived last year, but the order was reduced to 14 by a government panel headed by Energy Minister Yuval Shteinitz. Seventeen F-35's are still on order for 2017, and the Israel Air Force continues to push for even more to arrive by 2020.

The Netanyahu government has urged Washington to sell Israel the advanced F-15 fighter-jet that has been approved for Saudi Arabia. But the Obama Administration has refused, presenting the JSF as the only platform available for Israeli purchase with the more than $3 billion a year it receives in American aid.

A second source quoted by MENL says the "overall feeling [among Cabinet members] is that Israel can't continue on this path and needs proven combat platforms." The sources added that Israel would end paying a "strategic price" for "procuring, operating, and training for 50 inadequate aircraft."


TOPICS: Egypt; Foreign Affairs; Israel; News/Current Events; Russia; Syria; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: aerospace; egypt; eritrea; f35; fatah; gaza; hamas; hizbollah; iran; iraq; israel; jordan; jsf; kurdistan; lebanon; putingaveiranthebomb; russia; sinai; syria; waronterror; yemen
The URL on the original source seems broken though its still turning up in search results ... the plot thickens!

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/208651

1 posted on 02/29/2016 5:45:08 AM PST by sukhoi-30mki
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To: sukhoi-30mki
Wait, so first we give them 3 billion a year and then they turn around and purchase jets with the money we just gave them?

3 billion a year?

Yet we can't afford a space program or new warships for our navy.

2 posted on 02/29/2016 5:57:02 AM PST by precisionshootist
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To: sukhoi-30mki

I suppose that 0 would be glad to stop the purchase.


3 posted on 02/29/2016 5:57:24 AM PST by mountainlion (Live well for those that did not make it back.)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Israel reconsidering 2008 purchase of U.S. jets
http://www.israelpress.com/israel-reconsidering-2008-purchase-of-u-s-jets/


4 posted on 02/29/2016 6:02:02 AM PST by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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To: sukhoi-30mki
My armchair is the latest F15SE(?) o Dassault Rafael or even a Russian choice is what hey need, No a pilot but a friend.
5 posted on 02/29/2016 6:05:24 AM PST by mcshot (The "Greatest Generation" would never have allowed the trashing of our Republic.)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

More details and some surprising observations are at:

http://www.jpost.com/Opinion/COLUMN-ONE-The-IAFs-Achilles-heel-444662


6 posted on 02/29/2016 6:29:56 AM PST by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: precisionshootist

The US supplies many of Israel’s mortal enemies far more than $3 billion worth of war implements. The program is really a subsidy for US defense manufacturers. Possibly a point has been reached where Israel cannot afford the risk of relying on US arms.


7 posted on 02/29/2016 6:33:10 AM PST by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: sukhoi-30mki
Israel could find itself "increasingly dependent" on a fighter-jet that has been rejected by most NATO air forces, the sources say.

Which would also describe the F-15.

8 posted on 02/29/2016 7:25:37 AM PST by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: mcshot
My armchair is the latest F15SE(?) o Dassault Rafael or even a Russian choice is what hey need, No a pilot but a friend.

Israel was purchasing the F-35 using "store credit" military aid from the U.S., which can only be spent on U.S. weapon platforms. That means just the F-15 Silent Eagle (or F-15E, F-16C, etc.) could be purchased. The Rafael would have to be purchased out of hard cash, something I don't think Israel wants to do.

9 posted on 02/29/2016 7:28:52 AM PST by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: precisionshootist

This is like when the government squeezes the rental car companies to stock their fleets with cars that consumers won’t buy like the Caprice “Classic”, etc.


10 posted on 02/29/2016 8:26:49 AM PST by who_would_fardels_bear
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11 posted on 02/29/2016 4:43:06 PM PST by SJackson (The easiest way to find something lost around the house is to buy a)
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12 posted on 02/29/2016 4:43:08 PM PST by SJackson (The easiest way to find something lost around the house is to buy a)
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To: mountainlion

Israel should know the 90-day refund policy has long since expired.


13 posted on 02/29/2016 4:45:26 PM PST by JediJones (TRUMP 6/18/2012 on Fox News: "We have to show some compassion. We just can't throw everybody out.")
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To: mcshot; Yo-Yo

The political trust deficit will shoot down any interest non-U.S. platforms. The Israelis were nearly “fully” French in their aircraft till ‘67, so, yes, the Rafale would be an intriguing possibility!


14 posted on 03/01/2016 2:50:53 AM PST by sukhoi-30mki
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