( Vanity ) If Ted Cruz is the Republican nominee

2/15/2016 | mike70

[mike70]

've never started a thread (in 16 years), but I have a question for discussion.

Assume Ted Cruz is the Republican nominee. The Democrat candidate files lawsuits challenging Cruz's Natural Born Citizen status in two or more appellate districts. In one, the Court of Appeals rules that Cruz is a Natural Born Citizen and must appear on ballots. In another, the Court of Appeals rules that Cruz is not a Natural Born Citizen and cannot appear on ballots in that district.

Both cases are appealed to SCOTUS, but no replacement for Justice Scalia is nominated and confirmed. In both cases the Supreme Court splits 4-4. Would the matter revert to the decision of the Appeals Court so Cruz would be on the ballot in some states but not others.

To complicate the matter further, some states, California for example, span two appellate districts. If the decisions conflicted, Cruz would appear on some ballots in a state but not others.

What happens now?

[JoSixChip]

By that flawed reasoning and with some variety of reasons, George Romney (Moral Monster Mitt's daddy) was a Mexican citizen at birth (born there and no indications that his parents intended to return to US), Moral Monster Mitt Romney would, according to Birther doctrine, not be an NBC since Daddy George was neither NBC nor ever naturalized, Obozo was a British and American citizen since his father was a British colonial subject and his mother an American citizen no matter where he was born, Cruz would be Cuban and Canadian and American citizen since he was born in Canada to an American mother and a Cuban father. This is like some ridiculous credentials contest at a Young Republican convention.

See there, you can learn. Here's your homework, see if you can tell me why rubio is not eligible to be POTUS.

[okie01]

Chester A. Arthur was born of one citizen parent and was eligible.

John McCain was born in Panama...and was eligible.

George Romney was born in Mexico...and was eligible.

Barack Obama was born of one citizen parent and, so far as we know, was eligible.

Ted Cruz was born of one citizen parent in Canada and is eligible.

Any other interpretation is birther nonsense.

[higgmeister]

You are correct, and Cruz is a NBC, he was not naturalized because he was born to a US citizen, just like my children born overseas because of my military service are NBCs not needing naturalization. Your argument is stupid.

All you are able to say is that your children are more eligible to be President than Ted Cruz.

My daughter was born overseas to two US citizens, on official assignment for the United States, in a U.S. Air Force Base Hospital, her official birth certificate was a US State Department issued "Certificate of Live Birth Abroad" and is stamped and signed by the US Consul and also delivered in the US diplomatic mail pouch was a brand new US Passport with a photo of a very angry newborn infant.

What did Ted Cruz have? An "oh by the way", you have a class trip at school? Let's not get you a Canadian Passport even though your parents are Canadian now, that would to troublesome since we don't live in Canada now.

We'll apply for a US Passport. Yeah, right, then you can be President someday. No, not President of Canada! President of the big Red, White and Blue gravy train, the USA. I know we despised the USA so much that we became Canadian but you can be President. Won't that be good? /s

[Mr. Lucky]

That’s it? You think there is some definition which will pop under a Google search which will supersede federal law and that a federal judge ( even one appointed by Obama ) will rule that both of a child’s parents must be US citizens to confer birthright citizenship?

[BlackElk]

TRUMP!!!’s history of support for even partial birth abortion AND Planned Barrenhood and his $$$$$ support of Demonrat candidates AND his having Slick Willy and the Arkansas Medusa at his most recent (?) wedding AND his absolute reluctance to criticize ANYTHING Demonrat and his expressed confidence that he can “make deals” with Peklosi, Schumer, McConnell and the rest of the DC whorehouse remind me of someone. Yeah, Moral Monster Mitt Romney and John McCain and Bob Dole and Bush the Elder and Gerald Ford and Richard Nixon (on most of those) but Romney most of all!

[higgmeister]

Please explain to me how you know that the RNC will not dismiss Trump as an eligible nominee.

Please tell me why that matters regarding a matter of Constitutional eligibility to be President. This has only to do with Ted Cruz and no other consideration counts at all.

[BlackElk]

Ours.

[bolobaby]

Grow up.

[bolobaby]

Liar.

[JoSixChip]

That’s it? You think there is some definition which will pop under a Google search which will supersede federal law and that a federal judge ( even one appointed by Obama ) will rule that both of a child’s parents must be US citizens to confer birthright citizenship?

After all this, you don't even know what the question is?

[higgmeister]

Sorry but you are incorrect. Canadian law at the time required several years of residence in order to become a citizen. It was not legally POSSIBLE for Sen Cruz's mother to be a citizen of Canada. Even if she changed her citizenship later, at the time of Sen Cruz's birth, she was a US citizen.

Don't you think that if Ted Cruz's father could become a Naturalized Canadian his mother would also have met the requirements?

[taxcontrol]

The only problem with that is that Rafael Cruz (Ted’s father) did not become a naturalized citizen of Canada until 1973 .... three years after Sen Cruz was born.

[lonestar67]

No.

Now tell me how you know the RNC won’t disqualify trump as the nominee.

[JediJones]

The only other choice appears to be to nominate Trump who is guaranteed to lose in an epic landslide that will make McCain and Romney look competitive, so I’ll take my chances on Cruz.

[JediJones]

You cannot be both a NBC American and a Canadian citizen at the same time.

Aw, did you write your own Constitution and make up that provision all by your little self? So cute. But go back to playing with Duplo blocks. You're not ready for the 1st grade level yet.

[napscoordinator]

Probably depends what the lower courts decide since the Supreme Court will be most likely 4-4.....wouldn’t that be hilarious. Cruz loses due to no replacement on the Court. I would say good Karma.

[napscoordinator]

t is up to congress to determine if Cruz is eligible.

Ouch....that is even worse for him.....calling them liars might not turn out so good for Cruz.

[unlearner]

“If Obama was born in Kenya would he be NBC?”

No, because his mother did NOT meet the residency requirements of the naturalization act (1952) in force at the time.

“Cruz is not NBC either.”

Wrong. His mother did meet the residency requirements of the naturalization act (1952) in force at the time.

[Cboldt]

-- there is no law that can be said to have been broken. --

Just one counterexample ...

South Carolina Title 7 - Chapter 11

Section 7-11-20(B)(2)(b)

(b) the state committee of the party shall set the date and the filing requirements, including a certification fee. Political parties must verify the qualifications of candidates prior to certifying to the State Election Commission the names of candidates to be placed on primary ballots. The written certification required by this section must contain a statement that each certified candidate meets, or will meet by the time of the general election, or as otherwise required by law, the qualifications in the United States Constitution, statutory law, and party rules to participate in the presidential preference primary for which he has filed. Political parties must not certify any candidate who does not or will not by the time of the general election meet the qualifications in the United States Constitution, statutory law, and party rules for the presidential preference primary for which the candidate desires to file, and such candidate's name must not be placed on a primary ballot.

[BlackElk]

The late actress Elizabeth Taylor was born a British citizen, naturalized as an American citizen when coming here for her acting career, converted to Judaism when she married Jewish American singer Eddie Fisher (Carrie's dad) and then naturalized as an Israeli citizen. She maintained all THREE citizenships to the day she died. I am sure that there are many other examples.

American gangster Meyer Lansky was an American NBC born in NYC. He attempted to secure Israeli citizenship to avoid incarceration here but was rejected by Israel as an undesirable. He was a very smart man and would not have tried if it were not legal.

Sir Winston Churchill's mother Jenny was an American NBC who naturalized in Great Britain but, unless she actually renounced her citizenship here, he would have been an NBC here as well as there.

One great irony in all this is that plenty of my immigrant ancestors from Great Britain, Ireland, Scotland, Canada and Germany never sweated the paperwork hassle and likewise many of the ancestors of the Birthers here likely did not sweat the paperwork and red tape either.

According to Birther theory, we cannot really be sure about JEB!!! OK, his father and brother served as POTUS and his mother is a fourth cousin four times removed of a Democrat POTUS Franklin Pierce but what about all those Walker ancestors and Bush ancestors and Pierce ancestors and the people they married? Are you REALLY sure that they were all actual citizens or was there a break in the line somewhere when someone snuck into the US and never bothered to naturalize? You can never be tooooo obsessive, you know? These furriners are a sneaky crew and up to no good. TRUMP!!!! saw three under his bed just last night!

Oh, and did anyone notice that, as much as the GOP-E of his time loathed Barry Morris Goldwater, no one played the NBC card on him. BMG was born in Arizona Territory (Arizona was not yet part of the USA until 2/14/12) and his birthdate was 1/2/09 more than three years prior to statehood. Hmmmmmm!!!!!