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The Trials Of Pronouncing Antonin Scalia Dead In West Texas
Marfa Public Radio ^ | Feb 24,2016 | Marfa Public Radio

Posted on 02/15/2016 9:36:27 AM PST by FR_addict

... I was reporting from a candidate forum in neighboring Brewster County. Officials from all three counties were in attendance. David Beebe, the justice of the peace for Precinct 1 in Presidio County, was there, too. Shortly after 1 p.m., he received a request to handle an inquest for "a dead body" back in his county.

The call came from Juanita Bishop, the justice of the peace for Precinct 2, who is nominally closer, but she was at a work-related event more than 120 miles away in Fort Stockton.

Beebe responded he was also far away, too, busy at the political forum. The deceased wasn't identified. Bishop said she would find an alternate. In this border county, sometimes the dead body is an undocumented migrant. Identification can take weeks; death can wait.

Bishop contacted the third choice, Presidio County Judge Cinderella Guevara, who was also unable to make the drive to Cibolo Creek Ranch. Connecting with the county sheriff there, she officially handled the inquest - over the phone - pronouncing Justice Scalia dead just before 2 p.m. The Texas Code of Criminal Procedures allows justices of the peace to pronounce death via phone when deemed reasonable.

It wasn't until after 3 p.m. that the news started to make its way to the local officials at the candidates forum. Phones lit up. People stopped paying attention to the debate on the stage. I was sitting near Judge Beebe, and we rushed out of the school auditorium together. We drove straight to the only funeral home in the area, in Alpine - where there was no answer at the door. ...

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TOPICS: Front Page News; News/Current Events; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: cinderella; scalia; scaliaautopsy; scaliacauseofdeath
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To: FR_addict

Careful. Those who want us to move along unquestioningly will label you a conspiracy nut.


41 posted on 02/15/2016 10:51:26 AM PST by Ray76 (Our gov has become hideously deformed by the hand of the Dem-Rep-Uniparty. They must be abolished.)
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To: ghosthost

“I have never in all my yeas fallen asleep with a pillow over my face. There is the small matter of breathing.”

Hymen Roth comes to mind


42 posted on 02/15/2016 10:52:29 AM PST by hans56 (WAR IS PEACE, FREEDOM IS SLAVERY,IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH)
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To: bgill

Here is Poindexter:

The Man In the White Hat
http://www.texasmonthly.com/articles/the-man-in-the-white-hat/

Poindexter & Obama
TAG Owner, Other Heroes Honored in Ceremony
http://www.rvbusiness.com/tag/john-poindexter/

Scalia’s last moments on a Texas ranch
quail hunting to being found in ‘perfect repose’
http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-scalia-ranch-20160214-story.html


43 posted on 02/15/2016 11:03:10 AM PST by FR_addict (Ryan needs to go!)
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To: FR_addict

Yes it is the same. Their job is to respond to known facts, not paranoid fantasies. And the known facts are normal death for an overweight 79 year old man. If “people of means” wanted him out of the way he’d have been out of the way a long long time ago.


44 posted on 02/15/2016 11:07:33 AM PST by discostu (This is a different kind of flying... all together.)
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To: Ray76

CODE OF CRIMINAL PROCEDURE
TITLE 1. CODE OF CRIMINAL PROCEDURE
CHAPTER 49. INQUESTS UPON DEAD BODIES
SUBCHAPTER A. DUTIES PERFORMED BY JUSTICES OF THE PEACE

Looks like there should be an inquest according to their code, since there wasn’t an attending physician

Art. 49.04. DEATHS REQUIRING AN INQUEST.

(6) the person dies without having been attended by a physician;

http://www.statutes.legis.state.tx.us/Docs/CR/htm/CR.49.htm


45 posted on 02/15/2016 11:07:52 AM PST by FR_addict (Ryan needs to go!)
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To: discostu

The known facts are the body of an overweight 79 year old male was found.


46 posted on 02/15/2016 11:17:08 AM PST by Ray76 (Our gov has become hideously deformed by the hand of the Dem-Rep-Uniparty. They must be abolished.)
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To: Ray76

This article has the pillow over the head comment.

Also says the federal authorities flew in by helicopter.

Cibolo Creek Ranch owner recalls Scalia’s last hours in Texas

http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/local/article/Texas-ranch-owner-recalls-Scalia-s-last-hours-6830372.php

“We discovered the judge in bed, a pillow over his head. His bed clothes were unwrinkled,” said Poindexter.

“He was lying very restfully. It looked like he had not quite awakened from a nap,” he said.
Scalia,79, did not have a pulse and his body was cold, and after consulting with a doctor at a hospital in Alpine, Poindexter concluded resuscitation would have been futile, He then contacted federal authorities, at first encountering a series of answering services because he was calling on a weekend.

“Ultimately they became available and handled it t superbly. They flew in by helicopter. They told me to secure the ranch, which I did until this morning,” he said.”


47 posted on 02/15/2016 11:18:38 AM PST by FR_addict (Ryan needs to go!)
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To: Ray76

But why not mention to the Justices of the Peace that the body was Justice Scalia. Why did he decide to go on this trip? Sounds like it was a last minute decision.

Who was he travelling with? Another article said it was a lawyer friend.

Who were the other guest in the hunting party? Poindexter said he knew all of them and paid for all of them on the trip. They must have been special if he paid for all of them to come to his resort.

“All the guests were friends of mine, I paid for all of them. There were no politics, no jurisprudence in the slightest,” he said.


48 posted on 02/15/2016 11:24:18 AM PST by FR_addict (Ryan needs to go!)
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To: Ray76

The stuff we know. I wouldn’t doubt if they took a blood sample. Heart attacks leave behind chemical traces in the bloodstream, very easy to detect (actually sometimes the ONLY detectable thing, my uncle was in the hospital for 2 weeks having silent heart attacks the whole way, he had some symptoms to start but they went away shortly after he got to the hospital, doctor wouldn’t release him until the blood work came back clean). There are ways short of an autopsy to detect many forms of death, these are the things they generally use to decide whether or not to do an autopsy. People need to stop seeing boogiemen behind every corner, fat old people die, it happens.


49 posted on 02/15/2016 11:24:53 AM PST by discostu (This is a different kind of flying... all together.)
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To: FR_addict

You neee to get that checked, FRiend. Sounds like sleep apnea.


50 posted on 02/15/2016 11:34:31 AM PST by RushIsMyTeddyBear
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To: DesertRhino
sad that a 79 year old man can’t have a heart attack in a peaceful setting.

And in one of the most beautiful places on earth.

51 posted on 02/15/2016 11:34:33 AM PST by AndyJackson
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To: discostu

Justice Scalia’s family said no to an autopsy.


52 posted on 02/15/2016 11:39:08 AM PST by Nero Germanicus
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To: Nero Germanicus

Which can be overridden by authorities if they feel it is necessary. But it all seems pretty plain and obvious. There would be a certain irony in the state of Texas and Scalia’s family getting into a legal battle over an autopsy, but outside the sideshow aspect it would probably be wasted effort. It’s a pretty obvious case of fat old people die sometimes.


53 posted on 02/15/2016 11:42:40 AM PST by discostu (This is a different kind of flying... all together.)
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To: discostu

Hey - the bodies of Supreme Court Justices are found everyday, no biggie. No need to inspect the body, just phone it in.


54 posted on 02/15/2016 11:47:09 AM PST by Ray76 (Our gov has become hideously deformed by the hand of the Dem-Rep-Uniparty. They must be abolished.)
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To: Ray76

Somebody was there, somebody inspected.

Why would anybody bother to assassinate him NOW? Why not earlier in Obie’s presidency? With more dems in the senate and a better chance to get confirmed whoever he wanted? And if this conspiracy is so brilliant, what makes you think an autopsy would break it?

Really, the paranoids need to get over themselves. They sound like morons, and make all other conservatives sound stupid by association.


55 posted on 02/15/2016 11:50:00 AM PST by discostu (This is a different kind of flying... all together.)
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To: discostu

The judge performed the inquest because the cause of death was unknown. So far so good.[1]

How did the judge determine whether or not an autopsy was necessary to determine or confirm the nature and cause of death?[2]

The judge did not see the body, how could she make such a determination? Apparently she relied on statements from LEO who arrived on scene after the death. Did LEO determine the cause of death?

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[1] Tex. Code Crim. Proc. Art. 49.04 (a) A justice of the peace shall conduct an inquest into the death of a person who dies in the county served by the justice if: (3) the body or a body part of a person is found, the cause or circumstances of death are unknown

[2] Tex. Code Crim. Proc. Art. 49.10. (e) A justice of the peace shall order an autopsy performed on a body if: (1) the justice determines that an autopsy is necessary to determine or confirm the nature and cause of death;

[3] Tex. Code Crim. Proc. Art. 49.01 (2) “Inquest” means an investigation into the cause and circumstances of the death of a person, and a determination, made with or without a formal court hearing, as to whether the death was caused by an unlawful act or omission.


56 posted on 02/15/2016 11:52:14 AM PST by Ray76 (Our gov has become hideously deformed by the hand of the Dem-Rep-Uniparty. They must be abolished.)
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To: Ray76

Somebody responded. They have equipment and cool stuff. And this being the 21st century some of that equipment is going to be smartphones that can transmit all kinds of data, including letting the judge visually inspect the body from anywhere with cell towers. It’s a remarkable world this 21st century, if you’ve had x-rays in the last decade there’s a really good chance the real analysis was done on the other side of the planet (people whine about Indian call centers, nobody pays attention to how x-ray technicians have been offshored), people don’t actually need to be at the body to check it out. Heck with zoom in you can probably get a BETTER visual inspection by phone than in person.


57 posted on 02/15/2016 11:58:34 AM PST by discostu (This is a different kind of flying... all together.)
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To: discostu
Nice scenario... a fantasy. In fact, the judge said:
Cell phone service is spotty in Far West Texas. There's no service at the ranch.

"He called me back and he gave me a few more sentences until it broke up again. And that's how the conversation went for 20 minutes," the county judge recalled.

Source: http://www.wfaa.com/news/local/texas-news/scalia-to-have-autopsy-in-texas-according-to-state-law/42898331


58 posted on 02/15/2016 12:07:45 PM PST by Ray76 (Our gov has become hideously deformed by the hand of the Dem-Rep-Uniparty. They must be abolished.)
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To: discostu

Curiously incurious.


59 posted on 02/15/2016 12:08:23 PM PST by Ray76 (Our gov has become hideously deformed by the hand of the Dem-Rep-Uniparty. They must be abolished.)
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To: Ray76

Spotty != non-existent. And even your quote says it exists. also keep in mind the difference between sending voice and data, data is lower bandwidth and done with a protocol that verifies and resends data and is actually easier than talking. And as we should have all learned 15 years ago, there are things BEYOND cellphones for hinterland communications.


60 posted on 02/15/2016 12:16:03 PM PST by discostu (This is a different kind of flying... all together.)
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