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The voter rebellion is on! Who should lead: Cruz or Trump? Both?
February 3, 2016 | Jim Robinson

Posted on 02/03/2016 1:57:45 PM PST by Jim Robinson

Q: Why are the voters rebelling?

A: The leftist progressives have been treading on our constitution and our liberty for at least the last 100 years and consequently we've suffered a long train of abuses and usurpations: The income tax (16th amendment), ending state sovereignty/concentrating power at the federal level (the 17th amendment), the Fed, heavy-handed/unconstitutional regulations, socialized retirement, socialized health care, restrictions on religious liberty, legalized abortion, federal mandated homosexual marriage with the heavy hand of the federal government enforcing it over the objections of the states and small business operators, the illegal alien invasion, the subversive Muslim invasion, the last 8 years of lawlessness under a Marxist/Islamofascist usurper, and a totally ineffective Republican opposition party that caves in or actually goes along with much of the above.

The tea party rebellion rose up several years ago to try to fight off the most recent Marxist assaults on our liberty and was quite effective at electing Republican majorities in the House and the Senate and in the majority of the states, but all to no avail.

The professional political elites entrenched within the Republican establishment co-opted our newly elected tea party representatives and or otherwise blunted their efforts and continued allowing the Marxist democrats to have their way over us. Even a rebellion against the Speaker of the House did no good. The new Speaker is as weak as the old Speaker.

And so the situation is ripe for rebellion. And we had a great Christian constitutional conservative tea party leader poised to lead it, Ted Cruz. And we were happy to jump on this young lion's bandwagon and push him through to triumph over the Marxist Democrats.

But the entrenched GOP establishment would have none of it and they (the GOPe and related Super PACS and their allies at FOX News and the cheap labor/open borders lobby) lined up behind the malleable open-borders Jeb Bush whom they could control and amassed a vast 100 million dollar plus warchest with promises of millions more to come. With the help of the "free" press, their anointed one was all but nominated. No way would a first term upstart and senate outcast like Ted Cruz overtake their anointed prince.

But then jumped in an older, long-maned alpha lion who's been around the block a couple times, roaring his way to the top of the hill. Trump's hard-nosed, no-nonsense, non-politically-correct, take no prisoners approach quickly grabbed the attention of the masses of fed-up voters. Trump single handedly slew the establishment's Prince Jeb, the media and the establishment itself and completely rewrote the rules of engagement.

His bold pronouncements that he would build a wall, enforce the law and deport them all was the exact right message at the exact right time and immediately vaulted him to front-runner status. And he added to that that he would end sanctuary cities, end anchor babies and even slap a moratorium on Muslim immigration. Again, exactly what the masses wanted to hear.

Now, many of us feel that these twin invasions (illegal aliens and Muslim infiltrators) were and are existential threats to our national sovereignty and were thrilled to have a mighty warrior like Trump who takes no guff from the media or the establishment to lead the charge.

The media, the establishment and even many so-called conservatives immediately objected with "you can't do that." It's unconstitutional and un-American. It's not who we are as Republicans.

That last one was especially telling. "It's not who we are as Republicans."

Ain't that the truth. And that's our entire problem in a nutshell.

Trump's huge rallies attracted thousands and thousands and his polling numbers soared for months. He was leading in most of the national polls and in most states.

But there was a growing counter-insurgency rumbling beneath the rebellion. Trump's history is strewn with contradictory and potentially fatal landmines. Too many of his past pronouncements and activities were on the NY liberal side and some are too much for Christian constitutional conservatives to bear or forgive. He swears that he's now a pro-life, pro-family Christian, but he has also stated that he's never asked for forgiveness. That's mighty hard for Christians to accept, but who are we to judge what's in a man's heart.

So here we are. The rebellion is roaring. The people are massing. Torches and pitchforks at the ready, but we are divided on who should lead it. And not just divided, we're scratching each others eyes out fighting about it. And as we do, the establishment's second choice (Gang of Eight traitor Rubio) is making inroads.

Personally, I'm all in for the Rebellion no matter who leads it. And I've often stated that Cruz is my favorite because of his constitutional conservative stance, but if Trump wins the nomination I'll enthusiastically support him in the general. Why? Because we cannot possibly allow yet another American-hating communist to follow Obama into the White House to complete the job of totally destroying our free Republic. End of that story. It's a no-brainer and my picture is in the dictionary under that term.

I absolutely love Trump's bold stand against illegal aliens and his call for a moratorium on Muslim immigration and believe it's even stronger than Cruz's past positions. I also love Trump's Reagan-like tax plan. Cruz's flat tax proposal is also interesting. I believe they both want to cut regulations, cut spending, cut government, return education to the states, etc, build a powerful military and fight against terrorism and make America great again.

Cruz is stronger on life and marriage and probably on choosing judges, but Trump says he's a pro-life, pro-family Christian but that's always a gamble anyway. Even Reagan and GWB blew a few judicial nominations.

The important thing here (IMHO) is that we save our nation. I'm not ready to rule out either of these candidates. Cruz is off to a great start and is up by one delegate over Trump and together they're double the GOPe's second choice. But it's a long hard grind ahead.

I say we should let the candidates fight it out and not be so eager to trash either one of our leading candidates. Digging up and publishing dirt and rumors on either is not doing our side any good and is potentially destructive in the long run.

And trashing our fellow FReepers is something that should never be done. This is going to be a long fight and we do not want to lose too many of our friends.

Meanwhile, let the rebellion gain strength. We're all in it together to save our nation. Please save your ammunition and your venom for the true enemy on the left.

Oh, I almost forgot. If you haven't already done so, please get your donation in. We're gonna need it to survive this fight.


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KEYWORDS: 2016election; cruz; elections; freepathon; jimrob; neither; rebellion; trump; uniparty; voter; voterrebellion
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To: drewh

That looks like those two sisters who were involved with the Petraeus scandals.

201 posted on 02/03/2016 10:53:20 PM PST by Albion Wilde (Who can actually defeat the Democrats in 2016? -- the most important thing about all candidates.)
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To: conservativejoy

Only 18 posts down from Jim’s patient plea for cvility and already CJ is trying to meet his quota of digs for the day so he can get paid by his handlers. Which click farm are you working today, CJ? Rubio’s, Hillary’s or Putin’s?


202 posted on 02/03/2016 10:58:54 PM PST by Albion Wilde (Who can actually defeat the Democrats in 2016? -- the most important thing about all candidates.)
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To: Jim Robinson

It will take someone with gravitas and energy. . Trump.


203 posted on 02/03/2016 10:59:05 PM PST by freedomjusticeruleoflaw (Western Civilization- whisper the words, and it will disappear. So let us talk now about rebirth.)
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To: Jim Robinson

Bravo!!


204 posted on 02/03/2016 11:06:31 PM PST by Em and Brets Mum ("Lips that speak knowledge are a rare jewel." - Proverbs 20:15)
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To: EternalHope

I so agree with everything you wrote. God has this election in His hands; but this nation has done little to deserve His favor lately. Yet there can be no political salvation. Wake up, people.


205 posted on 02/03/2016 11:07:01 PM PST by Albion Wilde (Who can actually defeat the Democrats in 2016? -- the most important thing about all candidates.)
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To: Family Guy; Trumpinator
Why don't you ask a soldier? Many of them have worked for the government up to their dying day.

Few soldiers ever get to make policy; senators and congressmen do that all day long. Different level of culpability.

206 posted on 02/03/2016 11:16:38 PM PST by Albion Wilde (Who can actually defeat the Democrats in 2016? -- the most important thing about all candidates.)
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To: drewh
That's concerned me, too. The infedility rumors that can explode at just the right time like Edwards, doesn't have to be a baby involved. Also his not voting and running around fund raising. I hate it when the Dems do that, raise money on company time.

Also putting personal stuff on his Party charge card does not sit well with me. I just don't like him.

When I watched Obama getting the crowds so excited, I wondered why couldn't we get somebody like that? Well we have one now, Trump, which is a thrill (I don't get excited like that over people even if I like them). But as others have said, his negative traits I don't know if I could violate my conscience to vote for him. He said so many right things I've been waiting to hear from somebody. I think he would do his best to come through if he could. Like somebody said, he would put Schumer, Feinstein, and Pelosi in their places, we can hope. Maybe he's been friends with them, too.

Cruz is so unliked, worse than Hillary, that I don't see how he can win. I did like him when he put it on the line to filibuster and especially when he called what's his name a liar.

That leaves nobody else because I'm tired of them all, wouldn't vote for one of the ones left.

Trump or Cruz. I don't even care if Trump isn't a bona fide conservative any more although I do worry a little if he would play fast and loose with the constitution. Abortion, let him keep it to himself. Nothing is going to be done about it. I just can never vote for a Dem because it's a party plank.

Jim Webb with that Hawaiian congresswoman, she wowed me. But they are pro-abort Dems so I couldn't go there even if it were possible.

207 posted on 02/03/2016 11:18:39 PM PST by Aliska
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To: Jim Robinson
That was really accurate, Jim, which is not an easy feat in this most dramatic presidential
races. You have presented a dispassionate, precise analysis of what has taken place thus
far, in an environment where every journalist is descending into hyperbole. Every
journalist.

Thank you, Jim, and I agree.
208 posted on 02/03/2016 11:18:58 PM PST by jobim
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To: Jim Robinson

I think that’s an excellent, very clear summary of the showdown between these candidates and their relative strengths and weaknesses. Although reading this it appears Cruz has fewer weaknesses to speak of.

I have been a Cruz supporter at least since his Obamacare filibuster. That was an extremely bold move that threw down the gauntlet to both Obama and the GOPe at the same time. Not only were his positions right, but Cruz exhibited a charisma and an ability to articulate his message that so many stiff politicians just can’t do. I met him in 2014, shook his hand and told him I’d support him if he decided to run for President.

I was more in the camp of hoping Cruz and Trump would form an alliance and team up a month ago. Once Cruz got up in the Iowa polls, Trump started attacking him, mostly on non-policy issues, that changed the political equation. I don’t think Cruz and his supporters had any option in the lead-up to Iowa other than going after Trump on all fronts. I think Trump made a bad miscalculation and would’ve won Iowa if he had avoided going negative on Cruz and also attended the Iowa debate. You defend from a position of strength, which Trump had, and only attack from a position of weakness.

Now that we see the establishment deciding on which candidate they’re going to coalesce behind, it appears both camps have a bigger threat facing them. These two candidates and their supporters need to focus on how to take down Rubio now, who with fully-funded establishment backing and Fox News’ RINO propaganda arm, could become a formidable threat to both of them. It seems like if Cruz and Trump keep hitting each other and mostly ignore Rubio, Rubio will slip right past them and march ahead.

At first glance, Rubio appears to be a trickier target to attack. My first suggestion is to start calling his fo9lly “Gang of Amnesty” instead of “Gang of Eight.” Reiterate how when push came to shove and the establishment came calling, he broke his campaign promise on one of the most fundamental issues to conservatives. We all know we can’t trust him on immigration, but who’s to say he won’t flip-flop on abortion or something else too later?

His caving into establishment demands on immigration also shows that he is weak under pressure. Which can lead to the idea that Rubio doesn’t have the gravitas to seem like he’d put the fear of God into any of our international enemies. On economic policy, Rubio is a clear lightweight. He hasn’t handled his own finances well and doesn’t have a clear, articulate economic policy. Rather than issues, his speeches always focus on Obama-like emotionalism. This keeps him more off the record on actual issues and gives him more wiggle room to compromise on his positions later.

There is still the possibility to get a Trump/Cruz ticket even if it’s against their will. If they’re able to keep Rubio down in vote totals and both do well themselves, they could both fail to meet the delegate threshold to win the election outright, but have more than enough delegates together to form a winning ticket together. However, I’m not totally sure how the convention rules work. So I’m not sure if it’s that easy to make your delegates vote for someone else. It might depend on if you get your own loyal people elected as delegates as opposed to the GOPe hijacking them.


209 posted on 02/03/2016 11:53:38 PM PST by JediJones (Marco Rubio: When the Establishment Says Jump, He Asks How High?)
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To: Jim Robinson

Sir, you knocked it out of the park, again. Your clear thinking and consistency always impresses me.

I have liked both men, Cruz and Trump.

I presently stand with Trump.

Much thought, much reading and many prayers have been the sources from which I have drawn my conclusions. Oh, there is one more thing I do to help me set my compass, I look into the eyes of my grandchildren.

Thanks for your post... it’s got leadership written all over it.


210 posted on 02/04/2016 12:01:23 AM PST by Gator113 (~~Go Trump Go~~~~Go Trump Go~~~~Go Trump Go~~~~Go Trump Go~~~~Go Trump Go~~~~Go Trump Go~~)
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To: Jim Robinson

I’m upset that Cruz thinks he can lie and cheat while holding a bible open. Cruz as POTUS i just cannot see, he isn’t strong enough of a personna to the world leaders, Trump is.

Trump has a better resume for the current job opening, Cruz had one maybe for 20 years ago, different job requirements now.

And thats how i see it, i have looked at each ones resume, and i believe Trump has a better handle on how to take over a disaster and to get the job built, faster, better, and for less money.

And i would like to see a daily and cumulative totals of each candidates money spent per vote. Cam anyone do it cheaper than Trump? And just why on earth is it a good thing wasting thousands on each and every vote?


211 posted on 02/04/2016 12:19:53 AM PST by Daniel Ramsey (You don't have to like Trump, his enemies certainly don't.)
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To: Aliska
Cruz is so unliked, worse than Hillary, that I don't see how he can win.

This is constantly said on these forums. I don't know why. I know O'Reilly and Fox constantly say Cruz is "too conservative" to win in the general election, repeating the same arguments they made for McCain and Romney that went down in flames.

The polls show Cruz can beat Hillary and does better against her than Trump.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/2016_presidential_race.html

212 posted on 02/04/2016 12:30:54 AM PST by JediJones (Marco Rubio: When the Establishment Says Jump, He Asks How High?)
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To: Trumpinator
How is it someone can claim to be lifetime conservative but always working for the govt?

One big problem with the government is that liberals keep going into it and running things. We need conservatives to seek elected office and be in the government to change it from the inside.

213 posted on 02/04/2016 12:35:02 AM PST by JediJones (Marco Rubio: When the Establishment Says Jump, He Asks How High?)
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To: Jim Robinson

Thanks boss, and well said, I wholeheartedly agree.


214 posted on 02/04/2016 12:50:00 AM PST by SunkenCiv (Here's to the day the forensics people scrape what's left of Putin off the ceiling of his limo.)
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To: Albion Wilde

Thanks AW!


215 posted on 02/04/2016 12:50:12 AM PST by SunkenCiv (Here's to the day the forensics people scrape what's left of Putin off the ceiling of his limo.)
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To: Jim Robinson

Both. Trump-Cruz.

L


216 posted on 02/04/2016 1:42:33 AM PST by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: Albion Wilde
The reason Trump has that boldness and audacity is because he is beholden to no one. The others, not so much. 

Well I want our President to be beholden, with dread, to God. That's the crux of the problem I have with the self worshiping Trump.

217 posted on 02/04/2016 2:05:06 AM PST by Theophilus (The GOPe are dealers. The Marxist Democrats are duelists.)
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To: DoughtyOne

Vote Trump


218 posted on 02/04/2016 2:10:03 AM PST by glock rocks (TTTT !)
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To: Jim Robinson
....ashing our fellow FReepers is something that should never be done. This is going to be a long fight and we do not want to lose too many of our friends.

yes and amen.

219 posted on 02/04/2016 2:29:11 AM PST by SoFloFreeper (Obama hates the three Cs: Christianity, Constitution, and capitalism.)
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To: Jim Robinson

Hear! Hear!


220 posted on 02/04/2016 2:43:00 AM PST by NonValueAdded (In a Time of Universal Deceit, Telling the Truth Is a Revolutionary Act)
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