Posted on 01/21/2016 7:27:45 PM PST by TBBT
Donald Trump leads the polls nationally and in most states in the race for the Republican presidential nomination. There are understandable reasons for his eminence, and he has shown impressive gut-level skill as a campaigner. But he is not deserving of conservative support in the caucuses and primaries. Trump is a philosophically unmoored political opportunist who would trash the broad conservative ideological consensus within the GOP in favor of a free-floating populism with strong-man overtones. Trump's political opinions have wobbled all over the lot. The real-estate mogul and reality-TV star has supported abortion, gun control, single-payer health care à la Canada, and punitive taxes on the wealthy. (He and Bernie Sanders have shared more than funky outer-borough accents.) Since declaring his candidacy he has taken a more conservative line, yet there are great gaping holes in it.
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As far as I know, because of the 'loyalty pledge' no repub candidate will run 3rd party. As to 'staying home', I have been a Tea Partier from the get-go. I had to hold my nose and stump/vote for rep candidates in the last two elections (and may have to again this election). So I fail to see why that same party loyalty thing doesn't also apply to this election should the recognized nominee be Trump or anyone else.
“Yes, that is a proper inference when Cruz refuses to say no in response to a direct question on that very subject.”
Cruz responded, according to your own posted quote, only that he refused to respond. He didn’t say yes or no about taking it off of the table so you are WRONG again. You can make a baseless assumption, but that just make you look like an a55.
“supported legalization even after the gang of eight fight was over,”
That is another LIE. I know you’re a little slow, but legalization is NOT the same thing as H1B Visas.
“The amendment that I introduced removed the path to citizenship, but it did not change the underlying work permit from the Gang of Eight,” he said during a recent visit to El Paso. Mr. Cruz also noted that he had not called for deportation or, as Mitt Romney famously advocated, self-deportation.””
Cruz is right, his amendment didn’t call for deportation or a path to citizenship because if it had then the amendment would NOT pass and would NOT be attached to the original bill thus killing the bill. The original bill WOULD have passed if Cruz attempted to attach an extreme conservative amendment to it. Again, you are misreading way too much in these statements, but leaving out the full context in order to twist things to your own agenda.
I love how every conservative stated that Cruz knowingly poisoned and stopped the Gang of 8 bill, but you claim to know more than everybody else. I think your tin foil hat is too tight!
You are REALLY stretching here. Your TDS is glaring!
We can both agree that you hate Cruz, although irrationally, but you’re entitled to hate anyone you want.
You are NOT entitled to spew lies and distortions. You are NOT entitled to call everyone names and insult everyone and their families just because it makes you feel big (that is a good way to get permanently banned on FR) and get your a55 kicked.
We can also agree that you love Trump and nothing, including the truth, will ever convince you otherwise. Likewise, I will never vote for Trump and it is doubtful Trump will win the general even if he does win the primary, in big part because of supporters like you that alienate everyone because of your vile behavior.
We can agree on these things and just leave it at that!
That's exactly the point: He refused to take legalization off the table, leaving all options available. That is not something you do if you've been adamantly opposed to it since 2013.
That is another LIE.
That quote is from Cruz after the fight was over, so, no, it's not a lie.
The original bill WOULD have passed if Cruz attempted to attach an extreme conservative amendment to it
LOL, this isn't a fake mocking LOL, it's a real LOL. I laughed out loud. So Cruz's amendment was a poison pill... but if Cruz had gone REALLY extremist, it would have poisoned the bill? LOL. Whatever the case, this is written after the gang of eight fight was over. There's no reason why Cruz should still be supporting legalization, unless he was serious about it all along.
I love how every conservative stated that Cruz knowingly poisoned and stopped the Gang of 8 bill
Only Sessions and Lee are stating that, and neither of them were opposing legalization at that time either, so it's apples and oranges:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3374003/posts
“He refused to take legalization off the table”
He didn’t refuse to take legalization off of the table. He refused to DISCUSS IT AT ALL!!! There is a difference!!!
“it’s not a lie”
YES IT IS A LIE! You did NOT provide a quote stating that Cruz supported legalization. You only provided YOUR OPINION, which is WRONG!
“this isn’t a fake mocking”
That is because the truth is WAY over your head. You refuse to even believe Rush, Session, or anyone, but Trump so you’re hopeless.
“There’s no reason why Cruz should still be supporting legalization”
That is because Cruz NEVER supported legalization.
“only Sessions and Lee are stating that”
Again, NOT TRUE...Rush, Hannity, and Levin also stated that Cruz stopped the Gang of 8. Sessions and Lee have always been against amnesty legalization as well!
So then how come he didn't take it off the table when asked? It's very simple: do you oppose legalization, yes, no? Cruz said, "We'll have a conversation later." Ergo, Cruz kept it on the table.
You did NOT provide a quote stating that Cruz supported legalization
So what does it mean when Ted Cruz calls legalization part of "common sense" immigration reform that he wants to pass? Does Ted Cruz oppose common sense? Do people ordinarily want something to pass that they actually oppose?
You refuse to even believe Rush,
Why would I? He conceded to legalization as well that year. Did not oppose it. He even attacked callers as seminar callers when they broached the subject of opposing legalization.
Dude, get over yourself already...
“So then how come he didn’t take it off the table when asked? “
I’m not a mind reader so you would have to ask Cruz that. However, not stating a position is different that stating one. Cruz refused to state a position AT THAT TIME and you incorrectly inferred a position. Then when Cruz later re-published his full position, you incorrectly inferred that he changed his position. The problem is not Cruz; the problem is that you hear part of something and then immediately jump to conclusions and make up your own facts based on your limited knowledge of the issues and your Trump biases. That is why you are consistently proven wrong on FR by so many posters.
“So what does it mean when Ted Cruz calls legalization part of “common sense” immigration reform that he wants to pass”
Again, Cruz was referring directly to the Gang of 8 bill and not to his personal position on the topic. You really need to stop taking things out of context. It really discredits your whole argument. Please find me ANY quote directly from Cruz in which he uses the words “I supported legalization”. If you can’t find a quote with those verbatim words then your are grasping at straws and allowing your hatred of Cruz to incorrectly set your agenda again.
“Why would I? “
I don’t care if you do or don’t believe Rush, but if you won’t believe anyone but Trump then you truly are hopeless cause you have very limited tunnel vision then. You really need to vet Trump because so much of what you claim you dislike about Cruz, Trump is actually guilty of (supporting amnesty, single payer, ethanol subsidies, abortion, gay marriage, ‘assault’ weapon bans).
Ed Meese and Andy McCarthy are the only two I have any respect for out of that bunch. But they didn’t change my mind.
“So, whoever NR endorses, we know straight away that that candidate is opposed to deportation of illegals, otherwise, NR could not bless them.”
That’s one of the main reasons I quit my subscription to NR back in the early ‘90s. California was already being overrun by illegals and the quislings at National Review were on their side.
You don't have to be a mind reader. You just have to use basic logic. "Cruz, will you take legalization off the table?" He doesn't, so, therefore, it's still on the table.
Cruz refused to state a position AT THAT TIME
Cruz held that position for 9 months straight, even after the publication of his immigration plan in November, just FYI.
Again, Cruz was referring directly to the Gang of 8 bill and not to his personal position on the topic.
So Cruz was referring to someone else's "common sense" position? Common sense would conclude you to be a desperate silly person.
I don’t care if you do or don’t believe Rush
I believe Rush when he stated:
"I have never said, whatever number are here illegally, "Round 'em up and deport 'em." It isn't realistic. We have to stop the influx. So you can't pose a question to me, "Okay, Mr. Limbaugh, after we secure the borders..." the borders are key. And then we come up with a plan, I could give you two or three of them that would help legalize these people if they're willing to assimilate. We don't want a Balkanized America, and that's what this is leading to. It's just a matter of following the law"
http://www.ontheissues.org/Celeb/Rush_Limbaugh_Immigration.htm
Does that sound familiar? It should, because it's the same as Me-Too Ted, which he now denies ever having.
Cruz could so easily resolve the matter by simply admitting that he believed what Rush Limbaugh believed at the time, but Cruz won't, because he's a liar and wants people to believe he's always right and never changes on immigration.
But plenty of the NR Nomenklatura have managed to band together to support “regularizing” illegal aliens and to oppose any plan to deport them.
“You just have to use basic logic”
That is NOT logic; that is YOUR incorrect assumptions. Do you really not understand the difference between and inference/assumption and a fact???
If they ask if he is taking it off the table and he says he won’t discuss his position at that time. In NO WAY does that mean he refuses to take if off of the table. By your flawed logic, you could make the same case that he refused to discuss it because he DID take it off of the table.
“Cruz held that position for 9 months straight, even after the publication of his immigration plan in November, just FYI”
Cruz held the position that he refused to discuss it, but NEVER stated anything about legalization until he RE-PUBLISHED his full position. If you really were a voting age Texan then you would know that Cruz already is on WRITTEN RECORD for not supporting amnesty or legalization, which is why he won the Senate position, while also doing poorly with hispanics in Texas. That is a FACT!
“I believe Rush when he stated”
Got it...you believe Rush when he says what you want to hear or falls within your agenda, but don’t believe him when he says something you don’t like. Again, Rush was only one of many examples and yet, you still refuse to believe anyone, but Trump. You are truly hopeless then.
“because he’s a liar “
As previously stated...You are clearly WRONG and don’t know what you are talking about. You have PROVEN your lack of knowledge more than I’ve PROVEN your lack of knowledge, but you insist on repeating yourself over and over with the same lies as if you’re trying to convince yourself. You continue to deflect from Trump’s many, many lies and his previous support for blanket amnesty and other liberal policies, while making false accusations against Cruz. Sorry, but I’ll continue to believe the PROVEN FACTS over your biased OPINIONS.
Again, as I stated before. We can agree that you hate Cruz, although it is irrational. We can also agree that you are in love with Trump and refuse to question or vet Trump.
That still does NOT give you the right to LIE, CALL NAMES, INSULT families or else you’ll most likely end up banned from FR if it continues (especially the childish family insults).
You can vote for who you want, but RESPECT is expected on this forum. If you can’t handle people vetting Trump then you should really spend your time elsewhere. Just a suggestion; not a demand.
I think we can agree to disagree because you won’t change my mind and clearly, you don’t care about anything other than what Trump says now so you should just leave it at that!
Yes, yes it is. Any normal person reading it understands that Cruz's refusal to take legalization off the table can only mean one thing.
Only dumb dumbs who think Cruz is perfect will deny it to the end.
Cruz already is on WRITTEN RECORD for not supporting amnesty or legalization
Cruz is on record opposing citizenship to illegals, which he defines as amnesty. Cruz is on record supporting legalization, even after the gang of eight fight was over.
Got it...you believe Rush when he says what you want to hear
Hush Bimbo supporting legalization of illegal aliens at that time is not something I would want to hear, but it does expose that he isn't telling his audience the whole truth when he asserts Ted Cruz was a big "amnesty" fighter. They both held the same position.
You continue to deflect from Trump’s many, many lies
Notice your first attack with Trump, when I replied to it, immediately disappeared. You don't actually want to debate Trump's "lies." You just want to assert it, because you are a nasty, crazy person.
Are you really going to keep this up all night? Are you truly that insufferable? I gave you an out and told you to leave it at we agree to disagree.
“Yes, yes it is”
No, No it isn’t. Ok, by your logic then since Trump has not specifically stated that he IS NOT in the Clinton’s pocket since he donated so much money to them then it is safe to infer that Trump is actually bought by the Clintons.
“Only dumb dumbs”
Good thing I don’t claim Cruz to be perfect, but your “logic” is still WRONG because you are making a flaw assumption...again! Your OPINION on what Cruz was thinking is irrelevant because you CAN’T PROVE your position. You CAN’T PROVE your accusations or assumptions.
“Cruz is on record supporting legalization”
NO HE IS NOT...I already told you to find me the quote in which Cruz states verbatim “I am for legalization”. If you can’t find that quote, which you can’t, then you are lying because Cruz was against legalization since he ran for senate, but only a Texan would know that!
“They both held the same position.”
Cruz did not hold that position. Again, that is your OPINION, but is NOT supported by the FACTS!
“Notice your first attack with Trump, when I replied to it, immediately disappeared”
That is another LIE! You never responded to my FACTS about Trump. I told you Trump was a liberal and provided specifics. If you would like I can also provide the full quotes directly from Trump, but I’m sure you’ve already seen them and still refuse to acknowledge them.
Look, give it a rest already. You keep posting the same exact crap over and over and I keep responding with the same FACTS. Reposting the same drivel does not make it any more factual.
I get it...you hate Cruz and love to lie about him. I got it. You’re not convincing anyone so you’re just wasting your time. If you just got to have the last word then simply post “word” and move on.
“you are a nasty, crazy person”
BTW...this is coming from someone that attempted to insult my wife??? You don’t know how lucky you are that you aren’t already banned from FR. In the future, you might watch that behavior because next time you may not be so lucky.
Goodnight...
I have infinite energy for you dweebs.
No, No it isn’t. Ok, by your logic then since Trump has not specifically stated that he IS NOT in the Clinton’s pocket
If Trump was asked, "Are you working for the Clintons?" and he replied, "We'll have a conversation about that after I'm elected," then you might have a point.
NO HE IS NOT...
Ted Cruz and his "common sense" immigration reform certainly are. That's why you didn't answer my questions.
Your OPINION on what Cruz was thinking
Not my opinion, it's Cruz's words against your own, even after the gang of eight fight was over.
Cruz did not hold that position.
It's identical. One declares he wants "common sense immigration reform" after the border is secured, the other declares deportation is unrealistic and that the border should be secured before legalization. It's the same position. It's the position of Mike Lee also and all the public declarations from that time period, if you had bothered to read my link.
You keep posting the same exact crap over and over and I keep responding with the same FACTS.
What you do is keep accusing me of being a liar, while not, actually, quoting any facts whatsoever.
You are an entirely irrational and stupid individual, and, sadly, you're not unique in this behavior.
Irony
Original National Review carried big water for Barry in 1964
“I have infinite energy for you dweebs.”
Again, you’ve PROVEN yourself to be a total douche. Too bad you don’t apply some of that energy to vetting Trump.
“then you might have a point”
No, you can’t parse words to suite your agenda. The question about Trump has come up and he deflected and stated that he did what he had to do for his business. So his deflection justifies the assumption that he is hiding something...at least by your ignorant logic.
Refusing to answer a question does NOT imply or state ANY position. That is a FACT!!!
“Not my opinion”
Yes it IS your OPINION. Cruz NEVER said that after the gang of 8 bill. He only said that in describing the gang of 8 bill. Nice try, but again, you are busted for your incessant LIES!
“It’s identical”
Again, You are claiming to be a mind reader, yet you can barely read English. Cruz NEVER...let me repeat that since you’re slow...Cruz NEVER said that outside of describing the gang of 8 bill!!!
“What you do is keep accusing me of being a liar”
I’ve given multiple examples of you being a LIAR. Actually, EVERYTHING that you’ve posted is nothing but LIES. I’ve yet to see you post anything that is factually accurate.
“entirely irrational and stupid individual”
See that is all you got. You keep repeating the same old lies and then resort to name calling. You can’t argue anything beyond that. You a such a good little clueless liberal. I’m going to start calling you Obama as your nickname because it is sooooo fitting.
Don’t worry, you’ve been reported so based on your posting history of doing very little but hurl insults, I would expect your account to be banned soon enough. Goodbye noobie!! LOL
Hahahahaha! Ok, please provide a link and a quote of Trump "deflecting" the question of: "Are you actually a Hillary Clinton plant?" I'm sure you can quickly provide it.
Cruz NEVER said that after the gang of 8 bill.
Hey dummy, did you even bother to look at the link and check the date on what I was quoting? Oh, what am I thinking, you're so shallow you thought I had quoted a Politico article, proving you didn't even check the sources I was providing.
Again, You are claiming to be a mind reader
It's not mind reading. It's just called PLAIN reading.
ok Obama,
“provide a link and a quote of Trump “deflecting” the question of: “
You trumpets are the ones that made that claim when the issue was brought up. Trying search FR for once. That claim is made all over the place. I even think you made it once or twice.
“did you even bother to look at the link and check the date on what I was quoting?”
Hey moron, yes I did, but apparently you can’t read because your article was a OPINION and was NOT a direct quote from Cruz referring to any position outside of the gang of 8 bill.
“It’s just called PLAIN reading.”
You might want to stay in your 3rd grade class then, punk, cause your reading skills suck.
I’m beginning to think you’re literally retarded and I’m starting to feel sorry for you. Either that or you’re just a malicious, idiot that has nothing better to do than make total fool out of himself. Like I said, you’re such a good little commie liberal. You and Trump are made for each other. Good thing he believes in gay marriage so that you don’t have to pull your head from his butt anytime soon!
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