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Donald Trump Targets Ted Cruz [and it's helping Cruz]
Wall Street Journal ^
| January 10, 2016
| Heather Haddon and Janet Hook
Posted on 01/10/2016 2:15:21 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
Donald Trump is taking aim at Republican presidential rival Sen. Ted Cruz, a tactical shift that could be risky on two fronts: It may have come too late, and the Texas senator might actually be benefiting from the attacks......
For Mr. Cruz, being under attack by other Republicans is a badge of honor, another backer said. "It's a quasi-endorsement of Cruz to the grass roots," said Saul Anuzis, former Michigan GOP chairman.
Polls show a growing number of Trump backers see Mr. Cruz as their second choice. Cruz spokesman Rick Tyler said that when the campaign began, polls showed that only 4% of Trump backers saw his boss as their second choice. A new poll by NBC/SurveyMonkey finds that number has risen to 39%.
The latest Wall Street Journal/NBC News poll found that 66% of Trump voters said they would consider supporting Mr. Cruz -- far more than other major candidates....
(Excerpt) Read more at wsj.com ...
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To: Yosemitest
And yet again by citing a law as the basis you fail to comprehend the simple truth that Congress can't pass a law which makes someone a natural born citizen.
It's IMPOSSIBLE for Congress to do such a thing. It's natural law. Congress can't make natural law, they can only recognize it, like with your right to keep and bear arms or your right to free speech. NATURAL LAW! Congress didn't pass a law granting you those things, did they?
Congress can ONLY pass laws on citizenship which governs FOREIGNERS AND ALIENS.
And you can apologize any time for calling me a liar!
341
posted on
01/18/2016 3:31:11 AM PST
by
philman_36
(Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty and supped with infamy. Benjamiin Franklin)
To: philman_36
"And yet again by citing a law as the basis you fail to comprehend the simple truth thatCongress can't pass a law which makes someone a natural born citizen."
You ARE WRONG !
It has been proven TIME AND TIME AGAIN Under
Article I, Section 8 of the Constitution!
IT CLEARLY STATES:
1 The Congress shall have Power ...
4 To establish a uniform Rule of Naturalization, ...
342
posted on
01/18/2016 4:02:57 AM PST
by
Yosemitest
(It's SIMPLE ! ... Fight, ... or Die !)
To: philman_36
Read this:
Constitutional Topic: Citizenship
... Citizenship is mentioned in
If you're going to be involved in government in the United States, citizenship is a must.
To be a Senator or Representative, you must be a citizen of the United States.
To be President, not only must you be a citizen, but you must also be natural-born.
Aside from participation in government, citizenship is an honor bestowed upon people by the citizenry of the United States when a non-citizen passes the required tests and submits to an oath.
Natural-born citizen
Who is a natural-born citizen?
Who, in other words, is a citizen at birth, such that that person can be a President someday?
The 14th Amendment defines citizenship this way:"All persons born or naturalized in the United States,and subject to the jurisdiction thereof,
are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside."
But even this does not get specific enough.
As usual, the Constitution provides the framework for the law, but it is the law that fills in the gaps.
The Constitution authorizes the Congress to do create clarifying legislation inalso allows the Congress to create law regarding naturalization,
Currently, Title 8 of the U.S. Code fills in the gaps left by the Constitution.
Section 1401 defines the following as people who are "citizens of the United States at birth:"
- Anyone born inside the United States *
* There is an exception in the law - - the person must be "subject to the jurisdiction" of the United States.
This would exempt the child of a diplomat, for example, from this provision.
- Any Indian or Eskimo born in the United States, provided being a citizen of the U.S. does not impair the person's status as a citizen of the tribe
- Any one born outside the United States, both of whose parents are citizens of the U.S., as long as one parent has lived in the U.S.
- Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year and the other parent is a U.S. national
- Any one born in a U.S. possession, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year
- Any one found in the U.S. under the age of five, whose parentage cannot be determined, as long as proof of non-citizenship is not provided by age 21
- Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is an alien and as long as the other parent is a citizen of the U.S. who lived in the U.S. for at least five years (with military and diplomatic service included in this time)
A final, historical condition: a person born before 5/24/1934 of an alien father and a U.S. citizen mother who has lived in the U.S.
b>Anyone falling into these categories is considered natural-born, and is eligible to run for President or Vice President.
These provisions allow the children of military families to be considered natural-born, for example.
Separate sections handle territories that the United States has acquired over time, such asEach of these sections confer citizenship on persons living in these territories as of a certain date,
and usually confer natural-born status on persons born in those territories after that date.For example, for Puerto Rico, all persons born in Puerto Rico between April 11, 1899, and January 12, 1941, are automatically conferred citizenship as of the date the law was signed by the President (June 27, 1952).
Additionally, all persons born in Puerto Rico on or after January 13, 1941, are natural-born citizens of the United States.Note that because of when the law was passed, for some, the natural-born status was retroactive.
The law contains one other section of historical note, concerning the Panama Canal Zone and the nation of Panama.
In 8 USC 1403, the law states thatanyone born in the Canal Zone or in Panama itself, on or after February 26, 1904, to a mother and/or father who is a United States citizen,
was "declared" to be a United States citizen.Note that the terms "natural-born" or "citizen at birth" are missing from this section.
In 2008, when Arizona Senator John McCain ran for president on the Republican ticket, some theorized thatbecause McCain was born in the Canal Zone,
he was not actually qualified to be president.
However, it should be noted that section 1403 was written to apply to a small group of people to whom section 1401 did not apply.
McCain is a natural-born citizen under 8 USC 1401(c):"a person born outside of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents both of whom are citizens of the United States
and one of whom has had a residence in the United States or one of its outlying possessions, prior to the birth of such person."
Not everyone agrees that this section includes McCain - - but absent a court ruling either way, we must presume citizenship.
U.S. Nationals
A "national" is a person who is considered under the legal protection of a country, while not necessarily a citizen.
National status is generally conferred on persons who lived in places acquired by the U.S. before the date of acquisition.
A person can be a national-at-birth under a similar set of rules for a natural-born citizen.
U.S. nationals must go through the same processes as an immigrant to become a full citizen.
U.S. nationals who become citizens are not considered natural-born.
(Continued
SO NOW,
YOU OWE ME AN APOLOGY !
343
posted on
01/18/2016 5:09:01 AM PST
by
Yosemitest
(It's SIMPLE ! ... Fight, ... or Die !)
To: Yosemitest
You ARE WRONG !NO, I'm NOT.
Your right to keep and bear arms is a natural right!
Your freedom of speech is a natural right!
Congress doesn't, and can't, give natural rights as it isn't in their power to do so.
Nor can Congress pass a law to make someone a natural born citizen through legislation.
Lysander Spooner, Natural Law; or the Science of Justice: A Treatise on Natural Law, Natural Justice, Natural Rights, Natural Liberty, and Natural Society; showing that all Legislation whatsoever is an Absurdity, a Usurpation, and a Crime.
But if justice be a natural principle, then it is necessarily an immutable one; and can no more be changed-by any power inferior to that which established it-than can the law of gravitation, the laws of light, the principles of mathematics, or any other natural law or principle whatever; and all attempts or assumptions, on the part of any man or body of men-whether calling themselves governments, or by any other name-to set up their own commands, wills, pleasure, or discretion, in the place of justice, as a rule of conduct for any human being, are as much an absurdity, an usurpation, and a tyranny, as would be their attempts to set up their own commands, wills, pleasure, or discretion in the place of any and all the physical, mental, and moral laws of the universe.
Congress can't do what they aren't empowered to do.
Congress can naturalize someone through positive law, but they can NEVER usurp natural law and MAKE someone a natural born citizen.
If there be any such principle as justice, it is, of necessity, a natural principle; and, as such, it is a matter of science, to be learned and applied like any other science. And to talk of either adding to, or taking from, it, by legislation, is just as false, absurd, and ridiculous as it would be to talk of adding to, or taking from, mathematics, chemistry, or any other science, by legislation.
Thus our corresponding ends.
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posted on
01/18/2016 4:52:52 PM PST
by
philman_36
(Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty and supped with infamy. Benjamiin Franklin)
To: Cboldt
Opinions of Attorney General Bates on Citizenship Published 1862
Page 8...
We have natural born citizens (Constitution article 2, 5) not made by law or otherwise, but born. And this class is the large majority; in fact the mass of our citizens; for all others are exceptions specially provided for by law.
Snip...
The Constitution itself does not make the citizens, (it is, in fact made by them.) It only intends and recognizes such of them as are natural - home born - and provides for the naturalization of such of them as were alien - foreign born - making the latter as far as nature, will allow like the former.
345
posted on
01/18/2016 5:26:38 PM PST
by
philman_36
(Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty and supped with infamy. Benjamiin Franklin)
To: WhiskeyX
346
posted on
01/18/2016 5:31:09 PM PST
by
philman_36
(Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty and supped with infamy. Benjamiin Franklin)
To: philman_36
I wonder if McCain has a CRBA?
347
posted on
01/18/2016 5:48:50 PM PST
by
Cboldt
To: Cboldt
See this...
Birth of U.S. Citizens AbroadPersons who acquired U.S. citizenship or U.S. nationality at birth in one of the following current or former territories or outlying possessions of the United States during relevant time periods are not eligible for a Consular Report of Birth Abroad of a U.S. Citizen because such persons are not considered to have been born abroad. Individuals born in these locations during the relevant times may establish acquisition of U.S. citizenship or non-citizen nationality, based upon the applicable agreement or statute, by producing their birth certificate issued from the local Vital Records Office along with any other evidence required to establish acquisition:
The Panama Canal Zone applicable agreement or statute before October 1, 1979
You know what "applicable agreement or statute" means...naturalization, not natural law.
348
posted on
01/18/2016 7:02:30 PM PST
by
philman_36
(Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty and supped with infamy. Benjamiin Franklin)
To: philman_36
Yes, it’s just another example showing that citizen-at-birth is not the same as NBC.
349
posted on
01/18/2016 7:45:27 PM PST
by
Cboldt
To: philman_36
READ IT AGAIN, KNOT-HEAD !
Constitutional Topic: Citizenship
... Citizenship is mentioned in
If you're going to be involved in government in the United States, citizenship is a must.
To be a Senator or Representative, you must be a citizen of the United States.
To be President, not only must you be a citizen, but you must also be natural-born.
Aside from participation in government, citizenship is an honor bestowed upon people by the citizenry of the United States when a non-citizen passes the required tests and submits to an oath.
Natural-born citizen
Who is a natural-born citizen?
Who, in other words, is a citizen at birth, such that that person can be a President someday?
The 14th Amendment defines citizenship this way:"All persons born or naturalized in the United States,and subject to the jurisdiction thereof,
are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside."
But even this does not get specific enough.
As usual, the Constitution provides the framework for the law, but it is the law that fills in the gaps.
The Constitution authorizes the Congress to do create clarifying legislation inalso allows the Congress to create law regarding naturalization,
Currently, Title 8 of the U.S. Code fills in the gaps left by the Constitution.
Section 1401 defines the following as people who are "citizens of the United States at birth:"
- Anyone born inside the United States *
* There is an exception in the law - - the person must be "subject to the jurisdiction" of the United States.
This would exempt the child of a diplomat, for example, from this provision.
- Any Indian or Eskimo born in the United States, provided being a citizen of the U.S. does not impair the person's status as a citizen of the tribe
- Any one born outside the United States, both of whose parents are citizens of the U.S., as long as one parent has lived in the U.S.
li>Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year and the other parent is a U.S. national
- Any one born in a U.S. possession, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year
- Any one found in the U.S. under the age of five, whose parentage cannot be determined, as long as proof of non-citizenship is not provided by age 21
- Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is an alien and as long as the other parent is a citizen of the U.S. who lived in the U.S. for at least five years (with military and diplomatic service included in this time)
A final, historical condition: a person born before 5/24/1934 of an alien father and a U.S. citizen mother who has lived in the U.S.
Anyone falling into these categories is considered natural-born, and is eligible to run for President or Vice President.
These provisions allow the children of military families to be considered natural-born, for example.
Separate sections handle territories that the United States has acquired over time, such asEach of these sections confer citizenship on persons living in these territories as of a certain date,
and usually confer natural-born status on persons born in those territories after that date.For example, for Puerto Rico, all persons born in Puerto Rico between April 11, 1899, and January 12, 1941, are automatically conferred citizenship as of the date the law was signed by the President (June 27, 1952).
Additionally, all persons born in Puerto Rico on or after January 13, 1941, are natural-born citizens of the United States.Note that because of when the law was passed, for some, the natural-born status was retroactive.
The law contains one other section of historical note, concerning the Panama Canal Zone and the nation of Panama.
In 8 USC 1403, the law states thatanyone born in the Canal Zone or in Panama itself, on or after February 26, 1904, to a mother and/or father who is a United States citizen,
was "declared" to be a United States citizen.Note that the terms "natural-born" or "citizen at birth" are missing from this section.
In 2008, when Arizona Senator John McCain ran for president on the Republican ticket, some theorized thatbecause McCain was born in the Canal Zone,
he was not actually qualified to be president.
However, it should be noted that section 1403 was written to apply to a small group of people to whom section 1401 did not apply.
McCain is a natural-born citizen under 8 USC 1401(c):"a person born outside of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents both of whom are citizens of the United States
and one of whom has had a residence in the United States or one of its outlying possessions, prior to the birth of such person."
Not everyone agrees that this section includes McCain - - but absent a court ruling either way, we must presume citizenship.
U.S. Nationals
A "national" is a person who is considered under the legal protection of a country, while not necessarily a citizen.
National status is generally conferred on persons who lived in places acquired by the U.S. before the date of acquisition.
A person can be a national-at-birth under a similar set of rules for a natural-born citizen.
U.S. nationals must go through the same processes as an immigrant to become a full citizen.
U.S. nationals who become citizens are not considered natural-born.
(Continued
SO NOW,
YOU OWE ME AN APOLOGY !
350
posted on
01/18/2016 9:45:49 PM PST
by
Yosemitest
(It's SIMPLE ! ... Fight, ... or Die !)
To: Yosemitest
SO NOW, YOU OWE ME AN APOLOGY !I don't owe you ANYTHING.
Congress can only pass naturalization laws and naturalization only applies to aliens/foreigners.
Citizens don't need naturalization laws. Their children might, but not the citizen them self.
For your consideration...
18 U.S. Code § 1015 - Naturalization, citizenship or alien registry
(a) Whoever knowingly makes any false statement under oath, in any case, proceeding, or matter relating to, or under, or by virtue of any law of the United States relating to naturalization, citizenship, or registry of aliens; or
(b) Whoever knowingly, with intent to avoid any duty or liability imposed or required by law, denies that he has been naturalized or admitted to be a citizen, after having been so naturalized or admitted; or
(c) Whoever uses or attempts to use any certificate of arrival, declaration of intention, certificate of naturalization, certificate of citizenship or other documentary evidence of naturalization or of citizenship, or any duplicate or copy thereof, knowing the same to have been procured by fraud or false evidence or without required appearance or hearing of the applicant in court or otherwise unlawfully obtained; or
You really need to get a clue!
351
posted on
01/19/2016 4:41:46 PM PST
by
philman_36
(Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty and supped with infamy. Benjamiin Franklin)
To: Yosemitest
Oh, BTW...usconstitution.net is hardly a source worth using for legal understanding.
Do you have something from a .gov site?
Like this...
The United States has a long history of welcoming immigrants from all parts of the world. The United States values the contributions of immigrants who continue to enrich this country and preserve its legacy as a land of freedom and opportunity. USCIS is proud of its role in maintaining our country's tradition as a nation of immigrants and will administer immigration and naturalization benefits with integrity.
Sounds like they are there for foreigners/aliens to me.
How about you? Or will you contend they are there for citizens?
352
posted on
01/19/2016 5:03:25 PM PST
by
philman_36
(Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty and supped with infamy. Benjamiin Franklin)
To: Yosemitest
Here is another good link...
Immigration and Nationality ActThe Immigration and Nationality Act, or INA, was created in 1952. Before the INA, a variety of statutes governed immigration law but were not organized in one location. The McCarran-Walter bill of 1952, Public Law No. 82-414, collected and codified many existing provisions and reorganized the structure of immigration law. The Act has been amended many times over the years, but is still the basic body of immigration law. The INA is divided into titles, chapters, and sections. Although it stands alone as a body of law, the Act is also contained in the United States Code (U.S.C.). The code is a collection of all the laws of the United States. It is arranged in fifty subject titles by general alphabetic order. Title 8 of the U.S. Code is but one of the fifty titles and deals with "Aliens and Nationality". When browsing the INA or other statutes you will often see reference to the U.S. Code citation. For example, Section 208 of the INA deals with asylum, and is also contained in 8 U.S.C. 1158. Although it is correct to refer to a specific section by either its INA citation or its U.S. code, the INA citation is more commonly used.
Sure sounds like it's all about foreigners/aliens to me!!!
Oh, LOOK!!! Your often cited favorite is there...
INA: ACT 301 - NATIONALS AND CITIZENS OF THE UNITED STATES AT BIRTH
Sec. 301. [8 U.S.C. 1401]
An immigration law confers natural born citizen status on somebody?
353
posted on
01/19/2016 5:19:56 PM PST
by
philman_36
(Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty and supped with infamy. Benjamiin Franklin)
To: philman_36
YOU are the CLUELESS ONE !
READ IT AGAIN, KNOT-HEAD !
Constitutional Topic: Citizenship
... Citizenship is mentioned in
If you're going to be involved in government in the United States, citizenship is a must.
To be a Senator or Representative, you must be a citizen of the United States.
To be President, not only must you be a citizen, but you must also be natural-born.
Aside from participation in government, citizenship is an honor bestowed upon people by the citizenry of the United States when a non-citizen passes the required tests and submits to an oath.
Natural-born citizen
Who is a natural-born citizen?
Who, in other words, is a citizen at birth, such that that person can be a President someday?
The 14th Amendment defines citizenship this way:"All persons born or naturalized in the United States,and subject to the jurisdiction thereof,
are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside."
But even this does not get specific enough.
As usual, the Constitution provides the framework for the law, but it is the law that fills in the gaps.
The Constitution authorizes the Congress to create clarifying legislation inalso allows the Congress to create law regarding naturalization,
Currently, Title 8 of the U.S. Code fills in the gaps left by the Constitution.
Section 1401 defines the following as people who are "citizens of the United States at birth:"
- Anyone born inside the United States *
* There is an exception in the law - - the person must be "subject to the jurisdiction" of the United States.
This would exempt the child of a diplomat, for example, from this provision.
- Any Indian or Eskimo born in the United States, provided being a citizen of the U.S. does not impair the person's status as a citizen of the tribe
- Any one born outside the United States, both of whose parents are citizens of the U.S., as long as one parent has lived in the U.S.
- Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year and the other parent is a U.S. national
- Any one born in a U.S. possession, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year
- Any one found in the U.S. under the age of five, whose parentage cannot be determined, as long as proof of non-citizenship is not provided by age 21
- Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is an alien and as long as the other parent is a citizen of the U.S. who lived in the U.S. for at least five years (with military and diplomatic service included in this time)
- A final, historical condition:
a person born before 5/24/1934 of an alien father and a U.S. citizen mother who has lived in the U.S.
Anyone falling into these categories is considered natural-born, and is eligible to run for President or Vice President.
These provisions allow the children of military families to be considered natural-born, ....
(Continued
354
posted on
01/20/2016 7:28:37 AM PST
by
Yosemitest
(It's SIMPLE ! ... Fight, ... or Die !)
To: philman_36
Hey DUMMY, you commented on MY comment with quotes FROM THAT U.S. CITIZENSHIP AND IMMIGRATION SERVICES ( GOVERNMENT) SITE !
355
posted on
01/20/2016 7:32:03 AM PST
by
Yosemitest
(It's SIMPLE ! ... Fight, ... or Die !)
To: Yosemitest
Hey DUMMY, you commented on MY comment with quotes FROM THAT U.S. CITIZENSHIP AND IMMIGRATION SERVICES ( GOVERNMENT) SITE !You've lost your damn mind!
You don't even know where your links go to. Not one single link in that reply of yours goes to U.S. CITIZENSHIP AND IMMIGRATION SERVICES
350
Your first 8 links go to http://www.usconstitution.net
Your next 4 links goes to http://www4.law.cornell.edu.
1 to FR
2 more to http://www4.law.cornell.edu.
Then you're back to http://www.usconstitution.net.
There is not one single link from you in reply 350 that goes to http://www.uscis.gov.
And you're STILL posting immigration law as if such laws could make someone a natural born citizen.
I don't have to make you look the fool, you're doing the job fine all on your own with your ignorance.
356
posted on
01/20/2016 8:19:20 AM PST
by
philman_36
(Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty and supped with infamy. Benjamiin Franklin)
To: philman_36
Hey DUMMY, As
comment #340 stated:
I started AGAIN to verify AGAIN the CURRENT LAW at U.S. Citizenship And Immigration Service, and went through their references to IMMIGRATION AND NATIONALITY ACT, which took me to the Citizenship Through Parents page, which read: ....
In a general, a Child Born Outside the U.S. is a Citizen at Birth when the Child’s Parents Are Married to each other at the Time of Birth IF... |
AND... |
Both parents are U.S. citizens at the time of birth, |
At least one parent lived in the U.S. or its territories prior to the birth. |
One parent is a U.S. citizen at the time of birth and the birthdate is on or after November 14, 1986 |
The U.S. citizen parent had been physically present in the U.S. or its territories for a period of at least five years at some time in his or her life prior to the birth, of which at least two years were after his or her 14th birthday. If the U.S. citizen parent spent time abroad in any of the following three capacities, this can also be counted towards the physical presence requirement:
- Serving honorably in the U.S. armed forces;
- Employed with the U.S. government; or
- Employed with certain international organizations.
Additionally, time spent abroad by the U.S. citizen parent while the U.S. citizen parent was the unmarried son or daughter and a member of the household of a person who meets any of the three conditions listed above can also be counted. |
...
Then I went to verify AGAIN the CURRENT LAW at U.S. Citizenship And Immigration Service, and went through their references to INA: ACT 301 - NATIONALS AND CITIZENS OF THE UNITED STATES AT BIRTH.
Their wording is: Sec. 301. [8 U.S.C. 1401] The following SHALL BE nationals and CITIZENS of the United States at birth: ... (g) a person born outside the geographical limits of the United States and its outlying possessions
of parents one of whom is an alien, and the other a citizen of the United States
who, prior to the birth of such person, was physically present in the United States or its outlying possessions for a period or periods totaling not less than five years,
at least two of which were after attaining the age of fourteen years:That any periods of honorable service inthe Armed Forces of the United States,
or periods of employment with the United States Government
or with an international organization as that term is defined in section 1 of the International Organizations Immunities Act (59 Stat. 669; 22 U.S.C. 288)
by such citizen parent,
or any periods during which such citizen parent is physically present abroad
as the dependent unmarried son or daughter and a member of the household of a person(A) honorably serving with the Armed Forces of the United States,
or (B) employed by the United States Government or an international organization as defined in section 1 of the International Organizations Immunities Act,
may be included in order to satisfy the physical-presence requirement of this paragraph.
This proviso shall be applicable to persons born on or after December 24, 1952,
to the same extent as if it had become effective in its present form on that date; and
(h) a person born before noon (Eastern Standard Time) May 24, 1934, outside the limits and jurisdiction of the United States
of an alien father and a mother who is a citizen of the United Stateswho, prior to the birth of such person, had resided in the United States.
Then I researched
U.S. Constitution - Article 1 Section 8 and at the bottom of that page is
""Notes for this section:
Which took me to that link.
That takes you to
Constitutional Topic: Citizenship
... Citizenship is mentioned in
If you're going to be involved in government in the United States, citizenship is a must.
To be a Senator or Representative, you must be a citizen of the United States.
To be President, not only must you be a citizen, but you must also be natural-born.
Aside from participation in government, citizenship is an honor bestowed upon people by the citizenry of the United States when a non-citizen passes the required tests and submits to an oath.
Natural-born citizen
Who is a natural-born citizen?
Who, in other words, is a citizen at birth, such that that person can be a President someday?
The 14th Amendment defines citizenship this way:"All persons born or naturalized in the United States,and subject to the jurisdiction thereof,
are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside."
But even this does not get specific enough.
As usual, the Constitution provides the framework for the law, but it is the law that fills in the gaps.
The Constitution authorizes the Congress to create clarifying legislation inalso allows the Congress to create law regarding naturalization,
Currently, Title 8 of the U.S. Code fills in the gaps left by the Constitution.
Section 1401 defines the following as people who are "citizens of the United States at birth:"
- Anyone born inside the United States *
* There is an exception in the law - - the person must be "subject to the jurisdiction" of the United States.
This would exempt the child of a diplomat, for example, from this provision.
- Any Indian or Eskimo born in the United States, provided being a citizen of the U.S. does not impair the person's status as a citizen of the tribe
- Any one born outside the United States, both of whose parents are citizens of the U.S., as long as one parent has lived in the U.S.
- Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year and the other parent is a U.S. national
- Any one born in a U.S. possession, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year
- Any one found in the U.S. under the age of five, whose parentage cannot be determined, as long as proof of non-citizenship is not provided by age 21
- Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is an alien and as long as the other parent is a citizen of the U.S. who lived in the U.S. for at least five years (with military and diplomatic service included in this time)
- A final, historical condition:
a person born before 5/24/1934 of an alien father and a U.S. citizen mother who has lived in the U.S.
Anyone falling into these categories is considered natural-born, and is eligible to run for President or Vice President.
These provisions allow the children of military families to be considered natural-born, ....
(Continued
357
posted on
01/20/2016 10:00:08 AM PST
by
Yosemitest
(It's SIMPLE ! ... Fight, ... or Die !)
To: Yosemitest
Hey DUMMY, As comment #340 stated...Hey. ignoramus...I wasn't responding to reply 340!!!
Not one single link in that reply of yours goes to U.S. CITIZENSHIP AND IMMIGRATION SERVICES
350
Your first 8 links go to http://www.usconstitution.net
Not so good on details?
And as much as you repost the same BS laws over and over and over and over and over again...you cannot escape THE FACT that
THE LAWS YOU'RE USING TO SUPPORT YOUR ASSERTION ARE
IMMIGRATION LAWS
The minute you use them as your defense you're admitting the person needing them is an immigrant.
Yes, you're THAT stupid.
358
posted on
01/20/2016 7:31:09 PM PST
by
philman_36
(Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty and supped with infamy. Benjamiin Franklin)
To: Yosemitest
And my how you've changed...
43...
A "Natural Born Citizen" won't hold up when the father wasn't a U.S. Citizen.Cruz's father wasn't a U.S. Citizen, was he? Why the change on your part?
Shall I find some more of your hypocrisy and remind you where you stood not that long ago?
And remember, the exact same immigration laws you used to say that Obama wasn't qualified are the same laws you're now using to say that Cruz is qualified.
359
posted on
01/20/2016 7:55:28 PM PST
by
philman_36
(Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty and supped with infamy. Benjamiin Franklin)
To: philman_36
They cover BOTH Citizenship and Immigration, DUMMY ! You have NO UNDERSTANDING of the word"NATURALIZATION", its history, and FROM WHERE it was derived !
You have no comprehension of the laws defining it.
What is the root word of
"Naturalization" ?
"Naturalize" ! "admit (an alien) to rights of a citizen," 1550s (implied in naturalized), from natural (adj.) in its etymological sense of "by birth" + -ize;in some instances from Middle French naturaliser, from natural.
Of things, from 1620s; of plants or animals, from 1796.
Not only could the Founding Father define
"natural born citizen", BUT ...
THE FOUNDING FATHERS DID DEFINE IT ! And you ARE refusing the definition of
"natural born citizen" CLEARLY DEFINED by our FOUNDING FATHERS !
Ted Cruz's PARENTS fulfilled ALL those requirements of the law that time, for Ted Cruz to be a "Natural Born Citizen".
Ted Cruz did NOT NEED a Court and a Judge to "Nationalize" him.
It was defined
for the United States, BY OUR FOUNDING FATHERS !
The Naturalization Act of 1790, let's read it
!
Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America, in Congress assembled,That any Alien being a free white person,who shall have resided within the limits and under the jurisdiction of the United States for the term of two years,
may be admitted to become a citizen thereof on application to any common law Court of record in any one of the Stateswherein he shall have resided for the term of one year at least,
and making proof to the satisfaction of such Court thathe is a person of good character,
and taking the oath or affirmation prescribed by lawto support the Constitution of the United States,
which Oath or Affirmation such Court shall administer,
and the Clerk of such Court shall record such Application, and the proceedings thereon;
and thereupon such person shall be considered as a Citizen of the United States.
And the children of such person so naturalized,dwelling within the United States,
being under the age of twenty one years at the time of such naturalization,
shall also be considered as citizens of the United States.
And the children of citizens of the United States that may be born beyond Sea, or out of the limits of the United States,shall be considered as natural born Citizens: Provided, thatthe right of citizenship shall not descend to persons whose fathers have never been resident in the United States:
Provided also, thatno person heretofore proscribed by any States, shall be admitted a citizen as aforesaid,except by an Act of the Legislature of the State in which such person was proscribed.
360
posted on
01/21/2016 2:10:36 AM PST
by
Yosemitest
(It's SIMPLE ! ... Fight, ... or Die !)
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