Drive-Bys Think Trump's Iowa "Tirade" Is the End -- Again

RUSH: Donald Trump lit into Ben Carson yesterday. You know, it will be interesting to see. There have been countless times in the past where Trump has behaved in ways people found questionable and thought that would be the end of it. "He's gonna blow up. He's gonna implode. The polling data is gonna show he's gone too far, that people think he's gone too far." So people are saying that again yesterday over what Trump said about Ben Carson and others. Let's go to the sound bites and see what you think. Last night CNN's Erin Burnett "Tonight." She said, "On questions about Dr. Carson's past, do you believe he's being truthful now that you've heard his answers?"

TRUMP: Pathological is a very serious disease. And he said he's pathological. Somebody said he has pathological disease. Other people say he said in the book -- and I haven't seen it; I know it's in the book -- that he's got a pathological temper or temperament. That's a big problem, because you don't cure that. I could say, as an example, "child molester." You don't cure these people. You don't cure a child molester. There's no cure for it. Pathological, there's no cure for that.

RUSH: Well, we've called many people on this program "pathological liars." You know what the definition of a pathological liar is? I mean, there are many definitions, but just to give you an idea what's being discussed here, I've often said that Clinton is pathologically lying. By that I mean, he really believes what he's saying is true. A pathological liar actually believes his own lies. He's so good at it that his lies to him are reality, and there are others just as adept at lying or who are fully aware what they are. Now, I don't know in this tirade Trump gave in Iowa last night...

I haven't seen anything in his tirade that he hasn't said before. But last night, apparently, it was total stream of consciousness. He didn't seem to have any brakes anywhere. I mean, no guardrails or any speed bumps. Let's put it that way. And it seemed many people think Trump does that all the time, but this seemed a little bit more disjointed than usual. Carson has come out, by the way, at a press conference. "Donald Trump did not call me a child molester." We have that coming up. But first, return to Trump. Last night, Fort Dodge, Iowa. This is Trump speaking about questions regarding Dr. Carson.

TRUMP: Give me a break! The knife broke. Let me tell you, I'm pretty good at this stuff. ... So I have a belt. Somebody hits me with the belt, it's going in because the belt moves this way!

TRUMP: Believe me, it ain't gonna work. You're gonna be successful. But he took the knife, he went like this. And he plunged it into the belt! And amazingly the belt stayed totally flat and the knife broke. How stupid are the people of Iowa?

RUSH: There you have it. That one sound bite is what has everybody out there going, "Ooooooh, this is above and beyond even what we're accustomed to from Trump. Ooh, what do we do with this? Oh, my God, he said, 'Crap!' Oh, my God. And now, and now he said Carson lied about the knife, 'cause he goes in this whole dissertation about the belt buckle and so forth," and then, 'How stupid are the people of Iowa?' when he's in Iowa. He was at Fort Dodge." So, you know, some people say he's clearly, clearly bothered that Carson's ahead of him in Iowa. He doesn't understand it and is blaming (like Democrats do, actually) the voters and their stupidity.

RUSH: Donald Trump on ISIS. Now, this is after he asked, "How stupid are the people of Iowa?" for believing anything Carson's saying about his past. "How stupid are the people of Iowa?" because they somehow prefer Carson. How can they believe this crap? Now, the next bite, this is also from Fort Dodge. This is Trump on what he would do about ISIS.

TRUMP: I know more about ISIS than the generals do, believe me. I would bomb the (bleep) out of them.

TRUMP: I would just bomb those suckers. And, that's right, I'd blow up the pipes! I'm blow up the refineries. I'd blow up every single inch! There would be nothing left.

RUSH: Audience loved it. Audience liked hearing it. There's some conflict over whether or not we've actually killed the ISIS head honcho. You know, it's fascinating to me. All of this time ISIS has been out there doing whatever they've been doing, and we officially -- from the Regime -- have been acting like we care a little bit and we're gonna do something about it but we've gotta be very careful. No boots on the ground and all that.

Putin comes along, starts talking tough, starts making bombing runs, starts making attacks. Putin's dominating the news cycle. Putin this; Putin that. Three weeks of that, and all of a sudden we've killed Jihad John. But now David Cameron of the UK says, "Ah, ah, ah, ah! Not so fast, maybe the US didn't. We gotta take this under advisement." Meaning: We necessarily can't trust Barack Obama and his apparatus, claiming that they've killed somebody here. So that's the latest on that. Anyway, Trump just wants to...

He wants to bomb those suckers. He's gonna bomb the bleep, bleep, bleep, bleep, bleep out of them. The audience goes, "Yay, dude! Right on." But there were also people shocked in the audience last night. Here's Carson in Greenville, South Carolina, not playing the outrage game. He had a press conference. Reporter said Donald Trump last night on CNN compared things that you've said about having a pathological temper to being a child molester, saying those things are incurable for life. Do you find this appropriate dialogue from your presidential front-runner in the Republican race at this point?

CARSON: Well, it's not the kind of dialogue that I would ever engage in. And I'm hopeful that maybe his advisors will help him to understand the word "pathological" and recognize that that does not denote incurable. It's not the same. It simply is an adjective that describes something that is highly abnormal -- and something that, fortunately, I've been able to be delivered from for a half a century now.

RUSH: So half century ago he was pathological, but he isn't pathological anymore, proving that you can cure abnormal pathologies. But it's wrong for Trump to say that pathologies or pathological characteristics are incurable 'cause they're not. And a female reporter said, "He called you a child molester! He called you a child molester! Do you believe he owes you an apology?"

CARSON: Well, you know, I always find a little amusing what people in the press like to say. "You compared this, and therefore you said they're the same." I don't buy all that stuff. So those are questions you could ask Donald Trump.

RUSH: Well, let's go back. Grab audio sound bite number seven. 'Cause Carson may be right about this. Not that it's a big deal, but Trump employed a verbal trick here. And I'm sure that a Drive-By Media person -- in full-fledged bias mode -- would be capable of hearing something that wasn't said because she wants to hear it, or he. It's on Erin Burnett last night on CNN. And she asks Trump if he believes that Carson's being truthful now about stories regarding his past.

RUSH: Okay, so technically he didn't call Carson a child molester. He wanted people, maybe, to think that he was comparing temperaments here. But he didn't come out and declare, "Ben Carson's a child molester! He's not even a good child molester. I know child molesters that are really good. He's not even a good."

That's what Trump would have said if he were calling Carson a child molester, but he actually didn't. But if you're a media person and you want to hear, Trump enabled -- (interruption) What, you think I'm wrong about this? (interruption) That's what I'm saying. He didn't call him a child molester, but he created -- let's call it the illusion. You know, in magic acts, there are various stages of the act, and one of the stages is called the prestige, the illusion, and he's tricking people, he's actually -- how would you say this? He's openly purposefully keying in on everybody's lack of really hearing things. He just knows it's gonna be very easy, he's talking about Carson over here and temperaments and then all of a sudden pathology and how it's incurable. You throw the two words up, child molester, "My god, he just called him a child molester. Did you hear that, Mabel? Did you hear that? He just called him a child molester," when he really didn't. But it served the purpose. It made people think. I'm stickler for language. You know me. I'm mayor of Realville.

So let's go to the Drive-Bys, because I said earlier the Drive-Bys think this is it again. This is it. The establishment inside Beltway Republican establishment, they're gleeful. They're probably regretting this Washington Post story now about Romney, but they'll get over that. They are just ecstatic. They think this is it. The big moment that they've just known was gonna happen happened. It happened on CNN last night. It happened in Fort Dodge, Iowa, with Trump blowing up over Ben Carson. First a montage from a bunch of Drive-Bys.

MATT LAUER: (music) Titanic tirade! Donald Trump sounds off during an epic 90-minute rant.

JOHN DICKERSON: He achieved sort of orbital escape velocity in that (b-roll noise) tirade.

ATHENA JONES: One of the longest and most eyebrow-raising tirades from Trump yet.

RUSH: So it was a tirade. I guess we gather that from the Drive-Bys. So somewhere it went out: "You all are gonna describe it as a tirade," and they all dutifully described it as a tirade, and they did so happily. Up next, CBS This Morning, White House correspondent Major Garrett reporting on the Republican campaign and Trump and his speech in Fort Dodge, Iowa.

GARRETT: One of the questions that has long surrounded Donald Trump's surprising resiliency as a Republican front-runner, could his temper and ego withstand long running political competition. Well, last night just north of here in Fort Dodge, Trump delivered an answer, laced with profanity and insults that may mark a turning point.

RUSH: Yes, you see, may mark a turning point. If it does, folks, I just want to remind you, I may not be the first to have reminded you, but if not, I was among the early ones. If there is a shakeup at the top of the Republican field, and if Carson and/or Trump fade, who is the guy I told you to keep your eyes on? That would be Cruz. And ever since then, more and more people, even today, there are other stories about keep a sharp eye on Ted Cruz, Ted Cruz, Ted Cruz positioned well to pick up any pieces that fall apart. So there's Major Garrett: That may mark a turning point. Here's John Sununu this morning on CNN's New Day, Alisyn Camerota. "Governor, what do you think, what do you think of Trump's plan, what do you think of his speech, what do you think strategically of what he did last night in Fort Dodge?"

SUNUNU: That whole rant in Iowa is the reason that we should not have a reality show star as president of the United States. It was irrational, it was rude, it was crude, and frankly, politically, it was dumb, and this is the problem. It applies equally to the fact that everything Trump puts on the table is dependent on hot rhetoric to get the emotional response from the voters but has no rationality or substance behind it in terms of being able to be implemented. I do think that what you saw in Iowa yesterday is the beginning of the unraveling the loudmouth's campaign.

RUSH: They can't wait. They just can't wait. This is it. They knew it. It was always gonna happen, except yesterday they were getting panicked, so they fed some lines to the Washington Post about trying to get Romney redrafted or reinterested.

RUSH: This is Rich in White Plains, New York. It's good to have you, sir. How are you?

CALLER: Rush. Thanks for taking my call, and you're absolutely right, the only thing that's keeping me drawn to Donald Trump is his position on illegal immigration.

CALLER: And somewhere Tom Tancredo is asking himself, what did I do wrong? But I'm getting a little tired of his rhetoric, and in particular, you know, in the beginning when Mr. Trump was attacking he would say "I'm a counterpuncher and I only attack people who attack me." But lately I don't recall Rubio, Cruz, or Ben Carson doing any attacking to Mr. Trump, and here he is punching away at them. Like Ben Carson said, "Where I come from they call that a lie."

RUSH: Yeah. I'm having a tough time associating the whole idea of a pathological temper with Ben Carson.

RUSH: I just do not see that at all. You're right that he says he only punches back, but maybe he considers Carson leading in Iowa to be an attack. Maybe Carson leading in Iowa to be something he needs to punch back.

CALLER: Oh, we're stretching it there Rush, you know, we're spinning a little on that one.

RUSH: I'm not spinning anything. I'm not supporting or denouncing anything. I'm simply explaining to you what might be the reason Trump's doing this. I'm mystified like you are. I don't think it's necessary.

CALLER: It's not. He's saying some pretty harsh things, and I think he's doing himself a disservice.

RUSH: Well, I know it seems that way. But did the Democrats get hurt by the way they went after Romney? I mean, look at all the veritable crap they made up about Mitt Romney. And as Dingy Harry said when it was all over, "Hey, Dingy, you lied about Romney not paying his taxes." "So? He didn't win, did he?" They don't have any scruples. They don't care. Winning is all it's about to them. That may be another reason why.

“BTW, iâ€™ve said it before. having seen mental illness many times, i believe Carson is on medication for some illness, maybe bi polar.”

Is that why he’s so slow when speaking?/ I find it disconcerting.

“He won’t go down in points, he’ll rise like he always does, the thing to watch is the polling, they have been lying all along...talk about patholocial lying, take it to the GOPe and the media and talking heads...there you will find patholocial lying....”

Exactly, just like all the other things that would be Trump’s downfall, it instead helps him.

and spot on on calling the media pathological liars. Liberals, yettcchh!

The Muslim Terrorist attacks in Paris should put this “Trump attacks Carson” crap in PERSPECTIVE! Trump is not always eloquent..he cuts to the guts of the given situation and dishes out a sometimes distasteful truth!!
The Big Picture is that if Mr. Trump is not elected..then we Americans will be crushed under Illegal Invasion and will eventually be on our knees with swords to our necks!
Get over it Evangelicals..this is not the time to elect Bambi Ben! Trump 2016 or Allah Akbar America!!!!

I volunteered in that clinical environment for years, and that’s the ONLY other time i’ve heard someone speak like him.

Very strong mood stabilizers.

Someone stated that he would and could have never been a surgeon with those issues or on those kinds of drugs. That’s a valid point, though i know several very successful people with pretty severe conditions.

I do know his comments have become more and more bizarre, though some of them are old.

Something is amiss, that’s for sure.

I have always said that I have no intention of voting for Dr Ben Carson and I am standing by it.

I have also said that I like Dr Ben Carson, but think that he would be perfect as Secretary of Health and Human Services. I am standing by this also. I am leaning toward Ted Cruz, but I will not vote for loudmouth Trump.

Get over it.

Perhaps Trump is just talking without purpose. But if there is a strategy behind his comments, perhaps it’s something along these lines:

He’s basically throwing down the gauntlet and telling Carson’s supporters, ‘OK, it’s time to make a decision. No more fence sitting. This is the man you’re supporting. You can’t hide behind him anymore just because you don’t want to comit.”

He’s trying to shame the fence sitters, and shake them out from the real hardcore Carson supporters so he can see what he’s really dealing with. Trump’s style is aggressive, and he likes to be in control of events. He’s waited long enough in this holding pattern with Carson is now pushing the issue.

I can see where people say Carson is medicated. Although I have met a person or two who spoke that way naturally.

It may be natural. Of course I have no way of knowing. Do you know how the neighbor boy was treated? Slow and plodding are symptoms of meds. Puffiness and a stiff gait are signs as well.

No, I’m not that close to the family.
They moved here from out of state, Jersey I think.

I do know the kid should have gone to jail at least twice.
Once he burned an old barn, but the owner refused to press the matter.

Another time he fought with three guys in one day, putting one in the hospital.
The guys he fought with were too afraid of him to ID him to the police.

What type of medication he is on I couldn’t tell.
I do know he told a teacher that for the first time in his life he can think more than one minute ahead.
He said most of his life he felt like his brain was jumping around in his head.

Bad thing is he will have to move from here to ever have friends. No one trusts him.
Then, if he ever went off his meds, I wouldn’t want to be around him.

Bad thing is he will have to move from here to ever have friends. No one trusts him. Then, if he ever went off his meds, I wouldnâ€™t want to be around him.

Poor kid. Sounds like he’ll probably lead a lonely life. Hopefully he, (and anyone around him), makes it through okay.

He is just thrilled to find out what normal feels like.
I hope once he gets to somewhere that he can make new first impressions he really discovers normalcy.

The bad part about living in a rural area is everyone knows everything and no one forgets anything.

He is just thrilled to find out what normal feels like.
I hope once he gets to somewhere that he can make new first impressions he really discovers normalcy.

The bad part about living in a rural area is everyone knows everything and no one forgets anything.

I misunderstood. I thought he was stuck. Glad he’s got a chance. I understand completely about small towns. Moving may well change his life. Gives him much better odds at any rate.

No, he has family scattered over the country. His family is in every branch of the service so he has options.

It was really odd.
Doctors seem to be prescribing something for every kid in the world except those who really need it.
This kid needed help but the experts wanted counseling and whatnot for the entire family.
Finally an old country doctor put the kid on meds and fine tuned it for about a year.

I have no doubt that if the old doc hadn’t stepped in, the kid would have killed himself or someone else very soon.

Really strange. The doctor heard about the kid from one of his patients.
After hearing so much he sent word to bring the kid in.
He talked to and examined him for about an hour.
Gave the kid some sample packs and a prescription.
The beginning of a new life for the kid and his family.

I really hope the kid does well.
Now that he is getting better he is taking care of his appearance and manners.
A completely different person now.

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