Posted on 11/04/2015 6:44:26 AM PST by Elderberry
“middle aged men pretending to be criminals while going through a mid-life crisis?”
HA!
I did not defend the cops. I don't know what happened but I don't have any feelings that the Bandidos and the Cossacks are just guys out to ride bikes and not sell meth or anything like that.
Your “feelings” about Bandidos and Cossacks are misinformed — more to the point, they have been deliberately manipulated.
No big deal. I won’t be on the jury.
IT IS NOT FUNNY OF COURSE, given the loss of life and carnage. The way you worded it, was funny. And although they are certainly entitled to civil rights . . . don’t know of anyone here disputing that . . . personal responsibility is equally important and not contradictory to civil rights.
What causes grown men, to go to a venue en masse, prepared for at least fisticuffs even if sensibly fleeing gunfire? I would have to look up the name of the man who took money to his ex-wife for his kids before driving that fatal day to Waco, because he WAS going to Waco for his Club, and didn’t expect to come back alive; and he didn’t. What kind of culture does that to a man and his kids? OK they are entitled to all civil rights. But social responsibility . . .? A man is more beholden to live to provide for his own kids, than to die in Waco. Apparently the biker culture demands otherwise.
Civil rights? Of course! Personal responsibility? First and foremost because that is how we take care of our families.
WHAT culture demands a guy ride to Waco to DIE, and leave his children fatherless?? That is Tragedy 101. Worry about the civil rights of those arrested? OK. Who is crying for the widows and orphans that the Club culture demands as sacrifice to the Club over women and children? Hmmm?
I love mechanical things like bikes but I can’t buy the idea these outlaw bikers are just guys out for a joyride with their chums. I think their values hurt society every but as much as the Mafia types or the Blood and Crips types who also have caches of cool in our collective imagination. I mean I love watching Gangster movies and admire how they dress and eat in a fantasy setting but I don’t want their values in real life.
That's a new one to me. Mind finding and sharing?
Wayne Campbell
Thanks. I quit reading her some time ago. A bit too much hearsay for my taste. Not helpful in getting at the truth.
“also that morning Wayne Campbell member of the Cossacks told his ex wife he was picking up two of his brothers in his pick up and heading to waco and probably wasn’t coming back! Prior to leaving gave her money for kids and separate money for car part and repair, you can verify that with ——”
This quote was from the web-site of the woman who also “outed” red boots. That is the source I recorded. Believe me, it was there, and still should be.
Of course I cannot myself verify the accuracy of this account, but the testimony of the woman who posted it rings true.
Respectfully etc. and so sad for Campbell’s now fatherless children. What could he have been thinking? At least he had the decency, before going to Waco in a pickup (because the weather was bad for bikes) to leave some money for his kids and car repairs. He did so because he expected to not come back, and what type of Club demands that blood sacrifice of its members, to leave behind orphans? Again, of course, all are entitled to Constitutional liberties. But personal responsibility and Club culture had no small part in this . . . TRAGEDY!
“hearsay “
but his children are indeed fatherless.
Nor will you be a defendant.
But if you were ... if you belonged to a Veterans motorcycle club or and had been at Waco that day -- it would be a very big deal. Do you belong to any clubs, say, shooting clubs or RC flying clubs? Political-type groups that actually have the capability to do things the government may not like?
You should wake up and recognize that it may well be you next time. But since I won't be on the jury for you ... no big deal. Your bank account will be bereft, you'll have lost your job and had to wrangle with a million dollar bail, and the next time you apply for a job you'll be squirming at the question, "Have you ever been arrested?" -- but no big deal. I won't be on the jury.
There were a number of clubs whose members were not arrested. There was no one arrested because of being in a Veterans Bike Club, and I know you know that.
I find thht "But" to be curious. I am not in favor of making my rights, or ANYONES rights being contingent on anything, except as codified as a part of punishments for conviction of felony crime. Are you?
Of course, people should not break the law. Do you think anyone is excusing that?
“don’t want their values in real life.”
AMEN! The “cool” side of the “outlaw” lifestyle denies personal responsibility; but a person can’t really be a Man or a decent Human Being and deny personal responsibility. It is really some type of cruel joke to pretend it is really just cool or some type of “innocent” acting out, when in reality it hurts so many real people. I guess they live in a fantasy world, where they believe they can be cool “outlaws” and none of it hurts anyone else.! Can you believe, that they believe that? That they can act out some “outlaw” Persona, and be so obtuse as to NOT see the effects on the rest of civil society?
Personal responsibility is part of the civil compact among persons, So no, I am not making it contingent for Constitutional legal protections due anyone. Not only should one not break the law, one should comport him.herself in ways so as to not lead to death and mayhem. Personal responsibility is a higher standard than the law, but without it, what type of society would we have? Well, maybe a society where a father can give a check to his ex-wife and go off to join his “brothers” not expecting to come back alive? That is no type of decent civil society.
“I love mechanical things like bikes but I can’t buy the idea these outlaw bikers are just guys out for a joyride with their chums.”
Well here ya go FRiend.
I suggest you sling your rear-end across some iron, and get out there and meet some of these guys.
Stop believing what you read, because most of it is written by a bunch liberal, limp-wristed, metrosexual sissies, who wet their underoos at the sound of a V-Twin engine.
A couple of years ago there were over a million of these so called “criminals” who rode into DC in support of our veterans.
Seen a million of anyone else do that?
I’ve spent my whole life around these clubs off and on, and never had one seconds problem.
Bottom line; You can always “assume” what you think is true, or you can go find out what’s real.
Also, look up the term 1%, or 1%er, it should clue you in on the reality of this argument.
I’m out before TG starts stalking me again! LOL!
Give us all a break. There have been hundreds of posts attempting to excuse the criminal biker gangs involved in the shootem up and many of your fellow nuts claiming the cops started the shooting or even set it all up and of course lest we forget the asinine claims the Twin Peaks deally was just a peaceful meeting to discuss ‘motorcycle safety’.
The videos are not your friend! The courts will not be your friend!
Have yourself a good evening my FRiend.
And our LEO's should exhibit that comportment. Would you agree with that? In fact, we must demand the highest standard of conduct both on and off the job, as a condition of their legitimate exercise of the power we bestow upon them. And they should never be even suspected creating a scenario where death and mayhem could be expected. (Why would they install a camera in the parking lot, then claim that they were sitting in their cars when the shooting started. Major disconnect.)
But, we can NOT demand that free people - everyday citizens - act, dress and associate as we want them to. That's been tried. I thought we learned the lessons.
Obese and sedentary people are a threat to their families and others around them. If that heart seizes up while they are driving, innocent people may die.
What shall we do with THEM?
Us? You got a mouse in your pocket?
Have yourself a good evening my FRiend.
I have shown 2x that your claim (that I lied about your trying to have Waco threads banned here), to be the actual lie.
My friends do not lie.
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