[rikkir]

“I love mechanical things like bikes but I can’t buy the idea these outlaw bikers are just guys out for a joyride with their chums.”

Well here ya go FRiend.
I suggest you sling your rear-end across some iron, and get out there and meet some of these guys.
Stop believing what you read, because most of it is written by a bunch liberal, limp-wristed, metrosexual sissies, who wet their underoos at the sound of a V-Twin engine.
A couple of years ago there were over a million of these so called “criminals” who rode into DC in support of our veterans.
Seen a million of anyone else do that?
I’ve spent my whole life around these clubs off and on, and never had one seconds problem.
Bottom line; You can always “assume” what you think is true, or you can go find out what’s real.
Also, look up the term 1%, or 1%er, it should clue you in on the reality of this argument.

I’m out before TG starts stalking me again! LOL!

[Finny]

WELL SAID, rikkir! Trumpinator, I don't ride, but I've been around bikers who consider themselves "outlaws" since I was about five years old (a friend of my folks).

rikkir, Trumpinator doesn't register the dif between an outlaw and a criminal.

[Finny]

Trumpinator, you are also assuming that my uncle, one my brothers, and a whole LOTTA my friends, from life-long (50-plus years) to fairly new, all of whom are bikers and who consider themselves "outlaws" in some for or another, are bad people.

You insult a lot of really good people. If you are treated with contempt by some -- look inward rather than outward and take rikkir's advice -- get out there and meet some of these guys. Turn off the TV and read a little bit broader selection because what you're reading now is only telling you a tiny bit of the whole story. Frankly, if you got your ass kicked by a bunch of bikers, I'd sure understand why.

[Finny]

You can always "assume" what you think is true, or you can go find out what's real.

Pure gold.

[Finny]

I've spent my whole life around these clubs off and on, and never had one seconds problem. Bottom line; You can always "assume" what you think is true, or you can go find out what's real.

rikkir, I can't quite say the same, but close. You more than me, but even I have been in proximity to the really bad dudes, the ones that fit Trumpinator's stereotype. Prison-time types.

Can you think of a single one that didn't have an arrest record?

Trumpinator, did you know that the cops, LEO, guys whose stuff you read and believe, considered wallet chains, nail clippers, multi-tools, and pocket knives as "weapons" among these so-called "criminals" in patched clubs?

The only person I can think of who would really believe those were intended to be used as weapons in a "rumble" is Ralphie in "The Christmas Story." I conclude that a lot of the information you believe comes from folks like Ralphie.