Posted on 10/25/2015 7:46:35 PM PDT by TigerClaws
Washington (AFP) - The world would be a better place if dictators such as Saddam Hussein and Moamer Kadhafi were still in power, top Republican US presidential hopeful Donald Trump said in comments aired Sunday.
The billionaire real estate tycoon also told CNN's "State of the Union" talk show that the Middle East "blew up" around US President Barack Obama and former secretary of state Hillary Clinton, his biggest Democratic rival in the race for the White House.
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I agree with Trump on this, even though I also agree Saddam was unjust and an enemy of the US.
At the time however, he was a known enemy, and our current society is ill equipped to handle the unrecognized dangers of the Muslim springtime.
I disagree with him when he says the world would be a better place.
The Middle East might
Khadaffi was neutered after the U. S. went into Iraq.
He saw the handwriting on the wall, called us up and volunteered to surrender his weapons programs.
Hussein was not an innocent and it’s a terrible re-write of history to excuse Hussein as merely someone we didn’t like.
What about all the Christians who were murdered? They’d been protected to a certain extent under the dictators.
This also is a shot at Jeb Bush. Bringing up Iraq and 9/11 reminds everyone a job for Jeb! is a vote backwards.
Yeah, I agree, but the problem is as this gentleman here has stated how General Colon Pole stated that you break it, you own it.
We broke it, and we own it.
And now our country has gone full retard for invading marauding muslims all over everywhere, and Holy Crap what a mess.
Saddam protected the Iraqi Christians from the savages.
Without Saddam, this is what we have now:
“In Mosul, ISIS issued an ultimatum to Christians living there: Convert to Islam, pay a fine or face death by the sword.”
http://edition.cnn.com/2014/08/07/world/meast/iraq-isis-christian-city/index.html
Thanks, W /s
Actually, we did not need to own squat. That we started to show interest in their internal politics is when we had responsibility to the outcome (owning it)
We simply had to demonstrate what happens to those who attack us, (we did) and then leave (we did not). What they do with the aftermath is not our concern, never should have been. That is their problem. Only when they attack us, they get the pee pee whacked, every time, guaranteed. Their own politics is their own politics.
They simply do not understand the finer nuances of civility. Not until they themselves want it.
He’s right!!!! Lot of Iraqi and Syrian Christians would still be alive, and in their homes!!!! Libya wold not be the new Somalia! And Europe wold not be as inundated with migrants.
The world would also be a better place if Rhodesia had not been brought down, or Maronite-ruled Lebanon, or Yugoslavia!
Blame the human-rightsers, neocons, and liberal interventionists (e.g. Hillary, Samantha, and McCain).
Trump is wrong. Hussein was responsible for the deaths of 1.3 million innocents. He used poison gas on his own people. He invaded Kuwait. As he was leaving, he burned the oil wells. By now he might have had a nuke.
What went wrong in Iraq was the 2008 election.
Certainly true for the late Shah of Iran.
“I agree with him on that, and I don’t want to, because I cheered when the statue of Saddam came down.
I cheered when he got captured. And I watched his execution, but I don’t recall cheering that.
But now look what has become of all that.
This is a real mess, and we made it.
Damn.”
Between the mid-1980s and 2003 Saddam Islamized the ruling Baath Party, the state administration and the legal and educational systems. It began as a coldly calculated cynical step designed to refute Khomeini’s accusations of Baathi atheism, but toward the end, at least Saddam personally, became a born-again Muslim. The Islamization Campaign, while designed to bring the more religious Shi’i population closer to the regime and to their Sunni co-patriots, it in fact deepened the gulf between the two communities. The senior Shi’i religious leadership was suppressed, while the more compliant Sunni clerics were supported heavily.
A 1991 bloody suppression of a Shi’i revolt further drove the two communities away from each other. The regime’s elite was weaned of their Baathi secularism, which was replaced by Shari’ah, Qur’an and Hadith studies. Even those Baathis who remained secular at the core identified the great political advantage provided by the “Islamization” and faked Islamic piety. But which Islam? The regime’s official Islam was of the soft Sunni version, but Sunni it was.
Unofficially, very radical Sunni trends, anti-Shi’i Wahhabi as well as Sufi ones, were encouraged as long as they did not turn against the regime. The result was a growing sense of discrimination and oppression on the part of the Shi’ah. “Caliph” Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, leader of ISIS/Daesh, is the result of Saddam’s education, except that he performed a quantum leap in terms of radicalizing Saddam’s Islam, and he abandoned Saddam’s ambivalence toward the Shi’ah in favor of coherent anti-Shi’i revulsion.
I’d say the Muslim world made this mess, due to increasing fanaticism among the believers - a radicalization that Muslim rulers responded to, by adopting it lock, stock and barrel, to avoid being swept away by rebels assuming the mantle of holy men sent by Allah to remove the insufficiently devout from power.
And like the inspector said, unless they tell us where they are, we aren't going to find them.
Anyone with half a brain knew Saddam still had some weapons.
Khadafi should have been left alone. He gave up his chem weapons years before and had good control over the rebels.
Ditto... and kudos!
I think we really need to accept the ME will never be a stable area except for Israel maybe Jordan, it was foolish to think we could transform the Middle East into a pro western modern region, when in reality it is a backwards, tribal area of the world that needs benevolent dictators to keep the peace, if we want to help somewhere 3rd world, keep trying in Africa I say.
And no more regime changes in that world as well.
W should have welcomed Iraq as the newest territory of the US and taken the oil.
He’s right. Creating chaos in the Middle East has been a disaster. Especially for Christian...genocide!!!!! The mulsims have strong armed rulers for a reason. They are animals.
Given the fact that area will not be safe for anyone. Given the fact it’s a hell hole most of the time. Given the fact the people there are beyond changing... it’s just as well to have had the dictators who kept them under control compared to what obama has done for that area... the void he’s left to fill.. is being filled by worse terrorists than before.
I agree with every point you made.
You said it much better than I could have.
I agree with that mostly, but what really gets my goat is giving up land our men fought and died for to islamists.
I don’t know if I am right or wrong to be mad about that, honestly, but we have men who died and men who were blown to pieces and are still alive with those wounds, and I ask what the Hell was it for?
But I want to be careful not to cheapen or devalue what they did, so that is why I say I am angry, but I don’t know if I am right or wrong in my anger.
Should have got our own damn oil elsewhere.
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