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Ben Carson's Holocaust theory prompts outcry from Jewish groups
MSNBC ^ | Oct. 9, 2015 | Benjy Sarlin

Posted on 10/10/2015 2:42:51 PM PDT by VitacoreVision

Jewish groups and Holocaust scholars say Ben Carson’s claims that Nazi gun control laws contributed to the Holocaust are offensive and inaccurate, but Carson is not backing down. .

The Anti-Defamation League (ADL), which was founded to combat anti-Semitism and other forms of prejudice, derided Carson’s theory – which he first raised in his new book “A Perfect Union” – as “historically inaccurate.” .

But the ADL wasn’t the only major organization to weigh in: The United States Holocaust Memorial Museum also took issue with Carson’s decision to inject his claims into America’s gun debate.

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To: sitetest

>> Maybe someone can enlighten how Dr. Carson was wrong

It appears to feed the meme that Jews didn’t do enough to defend themselves, and thus are partly to blame for their own demise. The meme is offensive.

On another matter, shtetl Jews had no guns so this confiscation discussion is irrelevant. What was confiscated were their boots and warm clothing, their table linens and candlesticks, and any material wealth they possessed. Their labor was stolen in slave labor camps. And then they were exterminated.

Statistically, Holocaust survivors and their families tend to be more conservative than long-time American Jews.


81 posted on 10/10/2015 5:28:41 PM PDT by Lisbon1940 (No full-term governors)
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To: VitacoreVision

Look, VitacoreVision, the Wikipedia treatment of Soros is an ungodly and blasphemous whitewash of the damage that the demon Soros is inflicting on our country, including the support of the vile, racist *blacklivesmatter and propaganda sites like the Daily Beast.

I’m done wasting my time on you. Either join FR as a patriot or go to hell.


82 posted on 10/10/2015 5:38:30 PM PDT by sergeantdave
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To: Lisbon1940

Whether one wishes to blame folks for the harm that befell them or not, it is a truism to say that it is more difficult to harm people if they are armed than not. Not impossilble, but more difficult.


83 posted on 10/10/2015 5:54:03 PM PDT by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: justiceseeker93

Some needed history. that I must admit to being unaware of.

Thank you


84 posted on 10/10/2015 6:17:17 PM PDT by MeshugeMikey ("Never, Never, Never, Give Up," Winston Churchill ><>)
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To: justiceseeker93

Of course gun control didn’t CAUSE the Holocaust - that is an absurd statement that was obviously intended only to change the focus of this debate, rather than directly answer Dr. Carson.

But just as obviously, gun control was necessary prerequisite to herding millions of people on to cattle cars, etc. Armed people don’t meekly submit like that - a FACT that Hitler understood, which is why he had his evil minions disarm as much of his various target victims as possible.


85 posted on 10/10/2015 6:49:05 PM PDT by Ancesthntr ("The right to buy weapons is the right to be free." A. E. van Vogt)
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To: El Cid; sergeantdave
First you site the leftist Snopes as a credible site..
When "mythbusters" like Snopes, Politifact, etc. debunk the "hands up don't shoot" narrative, then MAYBE then I would consider them semi-credible. But hell will freeze over, or longer than that the Bucs will win another Super Bowl before we see that level of intellectual honsty from those sources.
86 posted on 10/10/2015 7:51:44 PM PDT by Impala64ssa (You call me an islamophobe like it's a bad thing.)
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To: sparklite2
given the Jewish refugees turned back by FDR in 1939, is illogical and counter-intuitive. And then there's this...
For most of the 20th century since 1936, the vast majority of Jews in the United States have been aligned with the Democratic Party.

Hard to understand.

Democrats turn their backs on Israel and pander to the muslims who want to kill all Jews.

Republicans support Israel and are the best friends that Jews around the world have anywhere.

In return, American Jews are reliable staunch supporters of democrats.

Go figure.....


87 posted on 10/10/2015 8:15:31 PM PDT by Iron Munro (The wise have stores of choice food and oil but a foolish man devours all he has. Proverbs 21:20)
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To: Iron Munro

I don’t understand it, either. Never have.


88 posted on 10/10/2015 8:23:33 PM PDT by sparklite2 (Eagles fan after loss to Dallas -- This is the first time I ever saw the "prevent offense".)
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To: justiceseeker93

Great. What Ben Carson said is exactly what every Jew with any knowledge of these things has said for decades. But he’s attacked. This is getting ridiculous and my respect for Dr. Carson and my hopes that he does well have gone up.


89 posted on 10/10/2015 8:57:11 PM PDT by Yomin Postelnik
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To: sergeantdave

A number of years when Jew Killer Arafart was in the US,
the US State dept ordered the head of the US Holocaust Museum to give of all people, Jew Killer Arafart, a “tour” of the US Holocaust museum.

The man who was the Holocaust Museum head refused to do that.

A short time later his ‘retirement’ was announced.

The newly appointed head of the museum gave Jew Killer Arafart a “tour” of the Holocaust Museum.


90 posted on 10/10/2015 9:33:59 PM PDT by MarvinStinson
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To: VitacoreVision

The Snopes you quote is bankrolled by Soros.

Try to find a better “source” next time.


91 posted on 10/10/2015 9:36:15 PM PDT by MarvinStinson
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To: justiceseeker93

Forget Greenblatt. He’s supposed to be a lightweight version of Abe Foxman (the longtime head of ADL) who became a joke in name and action.

In the late 1930’s, the Nazis forbade any Jews from owning firearms, and if caught they were sent to Dachau which was a political prisoner camp at that time.

In my book “Remembrances of the Holocaust: From Then Till Now” 1995, Agudas Achim Congregation Men’s Club publication, I had Holocaust survivors and family members of those who lived in Germany write their own stories.

One told of how his father or uncle, who had hidden a rifle in the floorboards of his store, finally turned it over to the authorities because of the harshness of these new policies against Jews owners firearms.

“The Great Fear” had settled in on Jews in Germany and Austria (where a late friend of mine was beaten weekly by Himmler’s SS men), and the whole Jewish population became cowered and disarmed.

Whether they could have mounted any type of significant defense against the Gestapo/SS, I don’t know but I doubt it at that late date.

I do know that another late friend of mine, Stefan Korbonski, one of the leaders of the Polish Free Army, risked his life getting arms and food into the Warsaw Ghetto, for which he was awarded Israeli’s highest honor, the Yad Vashem medal. That was awarded to non-Jews who aided Jews during the Holocaust.

And the ghetto put up such a fight that the Germans had to call in reinforcements to finally take it after weeks of fighting.

That fight remains the proudest moment of Jewish organized resistance to the Nazis during WW2, along with a major revolt in the Sobibor concentration camp, and the Jewish partisans fighting in the woods of Poland and Russia.

Jewish liberals have no guts, PERIOD, and little sense of history. IF they did, they wouldn’t sound like idiots such as Foxman and Greenblatt.

Some of us know history, have actually fought against evil (in many ways), and know what happens when you don’t oppose it.

Iran with the nukes is just the latest but most recent threat to Jews, Christians and freedom to come out of the Middle East (ISIS being a regional threat right now but expanding throughout Asia Minor and Africa).

Jewish fools don’t speak for us and never will. Unfortunately, the fools and the blind outnumber the seeing sane.

We have our work cut out for us, but we will not fail.


92 posted on 10/10/2015 10:11:42 PM PDT by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper (.)
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To: sergeantdave

LOLOLOL,

You tell him old man.


93 posted on 10/10/2015 10:23:50 PM PDT by the_individual2014
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To: Iron Munro
Some display total ignorance of the Warsaw Ghetto,

where a small number of Jews (many of them not even adult), occupied the German army for weeks with a tiny amount of mostly obsolete guns, making Hitler and his army a laughingstock to the rest of Europe.


UKRAINIAN SS Troops ate the Warsaw ghetto


Captured Warsaw Ghetto resistance fighters about to be executed


94 posted on 10/10/2015 10:44:37 PM PDT by MarvinStinson
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To: gaijin

Before Obamas administration became just he and Valerie and Chewey

His was considered the most Jewish administration ever.....

Jewish groups touted the fact

Seems kinda quaint looking back now

He’s worst POTUS to Israel ever but I don’t think it’s cause he hates Israel so much as he views Bibi as another white privilege guy who exploits brown folks....in particular his religious Islamic kin

If Israel was run by the far left guys like it used to be no question Obama would make nice

Look how much he spent to try to defeat Bibi

Has anyone seen this?

http://www.breitbart.com/video/2015/05/22/obama-i-have-been-called-the-first-jewish-president/


95 posted on 10/10/2015 11:04:01 PM PDT by wardaddy (The establishment needs destroying)
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To: justiceseeker93

Carson was right. Nuremberg laws contained major gun control measures, requiring registration of all guns, and confiscation of guns owned by Jews and other undesirables, forbidding future ownership.

The Holocaust didn’t begin immediately after Hitler came to power. It was a gradual, slippery slope. Gun control in Germany was part of its genesis. Gun control in the occupied countries was a given, though more difficult to enforce since there was no central registry of gun owners.

Personally, I’m getting fed up with all this “outcry” every time someone mentions the Holocaust. It seems these so-called “leaders” are determined to avoid any rational discussion unless it’s a one-sided monologue on the left.


96 posted on 10/10/2015 11:29:47 PM PDT by Eleutheria5 (End the occupation. Annex today.)
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To: DiogenesLamp
But what explains the British? Why do they keep giving up their guns? In the Victorian era, it was not uncommon for a gentleman to carry one, but now?

That's a bt of a myth. Private handgun ownership was never widespread in Britain, for all sorts of historical and cultural reasons. The only classes of guns widely owned were shotguns and hunting rifles held for two purposes: sport and vermin control. They remain so to this day, since they were never banned. I fact the number of legally owned guns of all kinds is higher today than it was before the 1997 handgun ban. See this from the British Association for Shooting and Conservation (approximate British equivalent of the NRA):

BASC welcomes growth of shooting sports

97 posted on 10/11/2015 2:48:44 AM PDT by Winniesboy
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To: VitacoreVision

Any article about this that doesn’t include a quote from JPFO (Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership) is nothing but pure propaganda.


98 posted on 10/11/2015 4:50:56 AM PDT by zeugma (Zaphod Beeblebrox for president! Or Cruz if Zaphod is unavailable.)
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To: Yehuda

AND his Nazis.


100 posted on 10/11/2015 8:18:17 AM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate "Republican Freed the Slaves" month.)
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