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Hillary: When I’m president, we’re closing the “gun-show loophole” whether Congress wants to or not
Hot Air.com ^ | October 5, 2015 | ALLAHPUNDIT

Posted on 10/05/2015 2:30:13 PM PDT by Kaslin

If this sounds familiar, it’s because Obama took the same attitude towards executive amnesty. Either Congress could give him what he wanted by legalizing illegals or he’d give himself what he wanted by legalizing illegals unilaterally. The president no longer loses in our system of (giggle) separation of powers, at least if he has a complacent caucus from his own party in Congress that’s willing to defend him on every power grab at their branch’s expense. Hillary’s building on that precedent now, in the middle of a surprisingly tough primary campaign, to stroke one of the few political erogenous zones that excites the left more than open borders does.

Hillary embracing gun control is a bit like Jeb Bush embracing Dubya’s legacy. There’s a lot of potential downside in the general election and comparatively little upside, but in the primary that calculus is reversed. Besides, if Hillary’s destined to be attacked as a gun-grabber in the general no matter what she does, just as Jeb is destined to be attacked as running for 43’s third term, they might as well embrace those images and earn some brownie points from their own side in the process.

The proposal most likely to generate controversy is using executive action to close the so-called gun show loophole, if efforts to pass new measures in Congress do not succeed, according to a campaign aide to Mrs. Clinton, who asked for anonymity to lay out the plans before the candidate does…

A central issue in Mrs. Clinton’s proposals are the background checks on prospective gun buyers, which are required for retailers at stores. But under federal law, they are not required at gun shows or over the Internet with private sellers.

Under Mrs. Clinton’s plan, she would use administrative powers to make anyone selling a substantial number of guns declared “in the business” of firearms dealing, and subject to the same rules as retailers, if Congress does not act, according to the campaign aide.

It was not immediately clear what the bar for being declared “in the business” would be.

When was the last time a degenerate responsible for a mass shooting used the alleged “gun-show loophole” to buy his murder weapon? The nut in Oregon owned 14 guns, every one of which turned out to be traceable to a federal firearms dealer. To the extent that today’s Hillary proposal is designed to capitalize on public horror over yet another massacre on an American campus, it’s an exercise in “gesture liberalism,” a feelgood do-something measure that doesn’t actually address a major problem. In fact, even the way this supposed problem is framed is a lie: As many of you already know, the “gun-show loophole” that supposedly allows anyone to sell an arsenal of weapons to a buyer without a background check is nothing of the sort. Where the sale occurs doesn’t matter, as Sean Davis explains. Whether at a gun show or anywhere else, if you’re selling weapons to the public repetitively and in any kind of volume, you’re a dealer for purposes of the law and are required to perform a check of the buyer. The “loophole” that permits sales without a background check effectively only covers sales between two private individuals who live in the state and only if the seller isn’t selling guns regularly. Think “dad selling his pistol to his son,” not “guy in a booth selling AR-15s to dozens of strangers at a gun show.”

Again, though: As with the “assault weapons” ban, this is less about Democrats trying to solve a glaring problem than about (a) signaling to the left that they’re on the team and (b) moving the Overton window, however marginally, towards greater federal regulation of guns. Which raises a good question from Greg Sargent. If Hillary thinks this is worth doing as president, even if just to polish her liberal cred, how come President Overreach hasn’t done it already himself? As for the broader politics of this, put me down with Drew McCoy as favoring anyone in the upcoming House GOP elections for Speaker and majority leader who has a strategy for restoring Congress as a check on the executive and is willing to speak up in favor of it. That’s the Overton window that desperately needs moving. It won’t be easy.

Hillary Clinton: We Need Universal Background Checks To Curb Gun Violence


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To: Kaslin
Portales, NM yesterday.


81 posted on 10/05/2015 7:44:14 PM PDT by Delta 21 (Patiently waiting for the jack booted kick at my door.)
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To: onyx
FOAD UGLY, DRUNKEN SOCIOPATHIC, CRIMINAL, BOSSY BITCH.

Yeah, what you said!

82 posted on 10/05/2015 8:09:28 PM PDT by rdb3 (SOCIAL MEDIA IS A SEWER!)
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To: Kaslin; fieldmarshaldj; BillyBoy; NFHale; stephenjohnbanker; randita; Clintonfatigued; ...
Hillary announces she intends to effect a palace coup and rule by fiat.

FR posting rules and probably federal law dissuade me from expressing what I think the proper response to this is but you folks probably know what I'm thinking.


83 posted on 10/05/2015 8:46:40 PM PDT by Impy (They pull a knife, you pull a gun. That's the CHICAGO WAY, and that's how you beat the rats!)
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To: akalinin

See? She succeeded already! /s


84 posted on 10/05/2015 9:14:03 PM PDT by jospehm20
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To: Impy

Understood.


85 posted on 10/06/2015 4:55:39 AM PDT by GOPsterinMA (I'm with Steve McQueen: I live my life for myself and answer to nobody.)
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To: Delta 21
IN HILLARY WE DO NOT TRUST
86 posted on 10/06/2015 6:34:22 AM PDT by seawolf101
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To: onyx

: )


87 posted on 10/06/2015 8:24:59 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (My Batting Average( 1,000) (GOPe is that easy to read))
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To: Impy; Kaslin; fieldmarshaldj; BillyBoy; stephenjohnbanker; randita; Clintonfatigued

You already know my response.

And yes, it involves a middle finger.


88 posted on 10/06/2015 8:51:28 AM PDT by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: NFHale

Make sure you use a condom on that finger : )


89 posted on 10/06/2015 9:01:52 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (My Batting Average( 1,000) (GOPe is that easy to read))
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To: NFHale

Mine involves a chainsaw.

No no Secret Service, I’m merely speaking of carving an angry sculpture out of a log! Or maybe a cross, vampires don’t like crosses right?


90 posted on 10/06/2015 9:08:32 AM PDT by Impy (They pull a knife, you pull a gun. That's the CHICAGO WAY, and that's how you beat the rats!)
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To: stephenjohnbanker

:^)

Safer that way... you never know WHAT I’d catch from that ... person...


91 posted on 10/06/2015 9:15:19 AM PDT by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: Impy

It never fails to amaze me. The blood dance.

Almost like it’s pre-written and scripted.


92 posted on 10/06/2015 9:17:06 AM PDT by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: discostu
It’s physically impossible to close the gun show loophole. It’s really a private sale loophole, and there’s logistically not a damn thing you can do about private sales.

Wanna bet?

If TSA can deploy to do bag searches of people getting off a BUS in Houston, then ATF can do surprise inspections of people at a gun range, recording ID and gun serial numbers, and questioning people whose guns do not appear in the ATF database.

They CERTAINLY can get away with looking at any guns you try to transport in checked baggage on airlines, and checking if the serial numbers show them as being owned by you in the ATF database.

Don't think they won't try this.

93 posted on 10/06/2015 9:32:54 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (Big government is attractive to those who think that THEY will be in control of it.)
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To: PapaBear3625

None of those would get me, don’t ride the bus, my range is the wide open desert, don’t fly. With 311 million people in the country going below the radar is easier than people think.


94 posted on 10/06/2015 10:10:47 AM PDT by discostu (dream big and dance a lot)
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To: Kaslin
I was at a gun show with MrD when someone fired a gun accidentally. You never heard a noisy hall get so quiet so quickly.
95 posted on 10/06/2015 10:21:34 AM PDT by Ditter (God Bless Texas!)
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To: akalinin
There is no ‘gun show loophole’.

Of course there is! It is a strawman that the Left bought to life decades ago, and they will not let it die, ever. It is too useful to them as a starting point for all attacks on private gun ownership.

96 posted on 10/06/2015 10:36:28 AM PDT by Teacher317 (We have now sunk to a depth at which restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men)
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To: PapaBear3625
If TSA can deploy to do bag searches of people getting off a BUS in Houston, then ATF can do surprise inspections of people at a gun range, recording ID and gun serial numbers, and questioning people whose guns do not appear in the ATF database.
They CERTAINLY can get away with looking at any guns you try to transport in checked baggage on airlines, and checking if the serial numbers show them as being owned by you in the ATF database.
Don't think they won't try this.

They may try. The easy counter is to simply not carry your privately-acquired arms on a bus, plane, or at a public range. When they come to check my privately-acquired, inherited, self-milled, and-or 3D printed firearms at my residence, well, then things have gone far enough, that I just have to make sure I remove more of them than there are of me. A 2-to-1 kill ratio for everyone like me should do enough damage that it stops pretty quickly.

97 posted on 10/06/2015 10:44:38 AM PDT by Teacher317 (We have now sunk to a depth at which restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men)
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