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The Trouble with Kids Today (it's all about IQ after all)
The Federalist ^ | 9/19/15 | Murray

Posted on 09/19/2015 12:08:13 PM PDT by pabianice

...IQ has a substantial direct correlation with measures of success in life, and it is also correlated with a variety of other characteristics that promote success...

...It’s not just that the IQ gap in working-class and upper-middle-class communities has gotten wider. The life penalties associated with low IQ have risen since 1960. If you focus on the economic changes since 1960, those with low IQ have faced a labor market in which the market value of a strong back has dropped while the value of brains has soared...

...If you focus on the reforms and social programs of the 1960s, the reductions in immediate penalties for destructive behavior (e.g., doing drugs, dropping out of school, grabbing purses, having a baby without marriage) had the most effect on people who were impulsive, attracted to immediate gratification, and unable to foresee long-term consequences—qualities associated with low IQ. The effects of such changes in incentives among the smart were much smaller....


TOPICS: Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: bookreview; charlesmurray; idiocracy; intelligence; intelligencequotient; iq; robertdputnam
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To: roadcat

Comsider that in general, (SE) Asians have a higher IQ than whites, but whites have more people at the higher and lower ends of the IQ bell curve (genius/retardation levels). I think that IQs somewhat above the “average” are your very smart software programmers, etc, and more likely to conform to working in high-end jobs. The ones at either end of the curve-the geniuses and retards-are the ones who “think outside the box” (on both ends), and don’t fit into society-if they are disicplined enough or focussed enough or have whatever X factor it takes, they are the ones who lead through doors the rest of us would never consider (that can be for better or for worse, of course).


181 posted on 09/20/2015 7:56:43 AM PDT by mrsmel (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: driftless2

Exactly. People act like IQ correlates with character worth or something. There are people in this world who are smarter than other people, and IQ is the best way we’ve yet found to quantify that, and the factor of intelligence is hugely influential on a given society’s structure (in combination with morality, work ethic, the overall discipline of a given group, etc).


182 posted on 09/20/2015 7:59:53 AM PDT by mrsmel (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: grania

Thank you. If all that the really, really intelligent people in this world did was to sit around and talk about themselves, we’d never have gone to the moon or split the atom.


183 posted on 09/20/2015 8:01:47 AM PDT by mrsmel (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: null and void

Being a politician is not a hard science.


184 posted on 09/20/2015 8:03:51 AM PDT by mrsmel (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Sam Clements

That’s my thought on the matter, actually, and automation is making a whole lot of people even more “expendable”, in that aspect.


185 posted on 09/20/2015 8:07:17 AM PDT by mrsmel (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: driftless2

If I had to bet money, however, I would bet that there are many, many more people of below-average IQ whose lives are at best futile, in an earthly sense, if not disasters. It’s the lower IQ people doing the most out-of-wedlock, fatherless home, breeding. And generally speaking, when “selecting” a sex partner (ie, potential father/mother of a child, I say “selecting” advisedly), they didn’t factor in intelligence as even one of their criteria.


186 posted on 09/20/2015 8:11:35 AM PDT by mrsmel (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: mrsmel
The Bell Curve has inverted.

There are no average IQ people any more.
Only folks who are smart as Bugs Bunny and maroons.


187 posted on 09/20/2015 8:13:39 AM PDT by shibumi ("Sharpei Diem" (Sieze the Wrinkled Dog)
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To: P.O.E.
Very Good
188 posted on 09/20/2015 9:06:43 AM PDT by Fiddlstix (Warning! This Is A Subliminal Tagline! Read it at your own risk!(Presented by TagLines R US))
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To: glock rocks
Hey! Well done!
189 posted on 09/20/2015 9:07:56 AM PDT by Fiddlstix (Warning! This Is A Subliminal Tagline! Read it at your own risk!(Presented by TagLines R US))
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To: glock rocks

ROTFL!
Hey There! No Fair Cheating!

190 posted on 09/20/2015 9:12:25 AM PDT by Fiddlstix (Warning! This Is A Subliminal Tagline! Read it at your own risk!(Presented by TagLines R US))
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To: PeterPrinciple; SkyPilot

The test admits it is based on _American_ blacks. IMO there’d have been much different results had it been limited to Canadian or Brazilian blacks, Jamaicans, Senegalese, Angolans, etc.


191 posted on 09/20/2015 10:14:32 AM PDT by Thud
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To: mrsmel
The ones at either end of the curve-the geniuses and retards-are the ones who “think outside the box” (on both ends), and don’t fit into society-...

I mentioned in one of my posts that I.Q. is not everything. What I meant is that being smart does not necessarily make one able to function well among society.

My son-in-law is such an example. My daughter met him in L.A. where they each were visiting. Soon they wanted to get married. He living in a Kansas small town brought out the stereotypes in our minds, as we are Californians and thought Kansas people were probably farm hicks. When we went to Kansas it was a shock. Their family is rich. They're white, of course. But anything but hicks. The parents were smart inventors and made a fortune. They encouraged their kids to be self-motivated. Each one was smart and more or less became their own bosses and were successful and rich. However, they were very dysfunctional. Smart, but couldn't function well with each other and were weird. Definitely didn't match up against other Kansans we met.

Regarding Asians having a higher I.Q. than whites, in my experience it depends on country of origin. Japanese and Korean certainly. Lots of Chinese, not only from China but wherever Chinese have settled (Vietnam, Taiwan, etc.). But not so in many Pacific island nations such as the Philippines, have met very few bright people from there. I suppose the same case (country of origin) can be made for white people, depends on country of origin, although I haven't seen any studies of this. I have met a lot of dumb white people! (The low end of that bell curve.) Oddly enough, the numbers of dumb whites increasing have corresponded to the increase in numbers of Democrats.

192 posted on 09/20/2015 12:08:03 PM PDT by roadcat
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To: Travis McGee

Good to see you back.


193 posted on 09/22/2015 7:21:04 AM PDT by Rebelbase
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To: Rebelbase

Thanks.


194 posted on 09/22/2015 8:08:53 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: pabianice

Free Traitors™ will tell you it is none of your business where stuff in manufactured. So what if a “few” suffer and lose their jobs. This is gloBULL creative destruction and is just natural course of events .


195 posted on 09/22/2015 8:11:47 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Fiddlstix

Okay, what’s the catch. I got a 140 on your little test and I know I’m not that smart (I’m a school teacher, for crying out loud! How smart can I really be!)


196 posted on 09/22/2015 8:29:03 AM PDT by MarDav
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To: MarDav
Well, It's not "my little test".

It's just another little "free" internet game.

197 posted on 09/22/2015 8:34:40 AM PDT by Fiddlstix (Warning! This Is A Subliminal Tagline! Read it at your own risk!(Presented by TagLines R US))
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To: x1stcav

In the states top IQ’s by race/ethnicity:

Indian (India)
Asian
Jew
Irish
Italian...


198 posted on 09/22/2015 8:42:19 AM PDT by Chickensoup (We lose our freedoms one surrender at a time)
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To: roadcat

Emotional Intelligence is more important than intellectual intelligence. Fortunately it can be taught.


199 posted on 09/22/2015 8:45:23 AM PDT by Chickensoup (We lose our freedoms one surrender at a time)
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To: I Hired Craig Livingstone
I’d never go to a Mensa meeting... I think you’d have to be a freak to WANT to go to one (your late mother excepted).

LOL! I've met some of the strangest, most interesting, people at Mensa gatherings. Both my parents were members for a while. I joined briefly but quit paying dues. My uncle even qualified for Triple Nine, but declined that invitation.

If you can get past the self-centeredness at the general meetings and join a SIG, then you get to meet people who share your interests, and that's where the real meat of the group lies.

200 posted on 09/22/2015 8:46:58 AM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux - The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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