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Radical feminist: Pope should ‘beg forgiveness’ for his abortion views
LiveAction News ^ | September 11, 2015 | Calvin Freiburger

Posted on 09/12/2015 3:05:36 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o

Radical feminist writer Jill Filipovic is not happy with Pope Francis. In the New York Times, she criticizes his recent announcement authorizing priests to forgive repentant confessions of abortion:

"[M]ercy may actually be worse. While the pope’s announcement has been hailed as evidence of the church’s new, softer approach, it’s actually the latest example of the modern anti-abortion strategy: Portray women as victims who need to be protected from themselves with laws that restrict abortion rights.

"Despite the concern for what the pope calls an “agonizing and painful decision,” research shows that a vast majority of women who terminate pregnancies in the United States don’t actually feel bad about it. In surveys, nearly all say it was the right thing to do, and positive feelings of relief or happiness outweigh negative feelings of regret or guilt for more than nine in 10 women, even years after the procedure."

Wrong. As Live Action regulars have known for a long time, this talking point requires fixating on reports of relief immediately following abortion and deliberately ignoring scores of studies finding substantially raised risks of clinical depression, psychiatric illness, substance abuse, and attempted suicide over longer periods of time.

"Instead of treating women as adults who make their own decisions, the pope condescends to “all the women who have resorted to abortion,” saying he is “well aware of the pressure that has led them to this decision.” The threat of excommunication, at the very least, makes the church’s views on women’s rights clear.

"Offering forgiveness is a softer version of the same judgment: that the millions of women around the world who have abortions every year are sinners. Inviting women to feel shame and guilt for their abortions isn’t a mercy; it’s cruelty."

No mention, of course, of the cruelty inherent in having your son or daughter killed. Filipovic’s entire rant is a farce for the same sin of omission we see here again and again and again and again: assuming abortion’s ethical correctness is a given, refusing to reference who it harms (or how) in any way, and constructing an entire narrative on the fiction that it is only controversial due to notions of purely-subjective morality.

I never thought I’d be saying this, but this is actually a lower caliber of abortion argument than the Marcotte standard. At least she accounts for abortion’s victims by lying about them; Filipovic just ignores them. It’s like trying to argue the Civil War was all about the cotton industry without mentioning that people were enslaved to do the work.

This sort of thing is bad enough when it corrupts secular abortion conversations; it’s particularly unserious when trying to critique a religious one. The Bible is unambiguous that all humans bear the image of God, and that to shed their innocent blood is intolerable. Jesus Christ affirmed that murder is non-negotiable, and particularly stressed that God “is not willing that any of these little ones should perish.” Accordingly, Catholicism has taught for nearly 2,000 years the “unchangeable” moral truth that as the destruction of a “human being [which] must be recognized as having the rights of a person,” abortion “is gravely contrary to the moral law.”

Filipovic is, of course, free to disbelieve Catholicism, but she is not free to pretend a religion can just casually dismiss its core tenets. Nor is it serious to whine that it’s somehow demeaning for a religion to hold that sins require forgiveness.

Even apart from abortion’s particular evil, that’s what religion is: a comprehensive set of standards, some of which pertain to personal morality, adherents believe God has set for them. Most religious people recognize that we fall short of our faiths’ expectations in various ways, but we’re well-adjusted enough to handle it with balanced introspection, not use it as a self-centered excuse to cry victim and pretend we’re infallible.

Moreover, we’re mature enough to keep things in perspective and live in harmony people of different faiths who disagree on what those standards should be and sometimes find us lacking. To quote Jewish conservative pundit Michael Medved from his book Right Turns: “As long as Christians don’t treat me like hell in this world, or do anything to hasten my entry into the next world, why should I worry? If they don’t insist that I accept their theology as the price of cooperation, how dare I insist that they accept mine?”

Filipovic continues:

"But women primarily feel guilty when they experience stigma and a lack of support for their choice. In telling women that they can be forgiven during this one year, the pope plays on the ambivalence and embarrassment that can come from silence around abortion. He sends the message that Catholic women, who, according to surveys have abortions at roughly the same rate as non-Catholic women, should feel ashamed."

Next in the list of things Filipovic doesn’t understand about religion: God’s will is not defined by popularity contests. The Bible is full of stories of God’s people rejecting His word and it turning out badly. Catholics forgetting those passages and defying Catholicism on abortion is certainly a problem for the Church in terms of how well they’re getting their teachings across, but in no way does it suggest the theology means something other than what it says, or may be jettisoned.

" According to the mercy narrative, entirely normal and common reproductive choices are actually tragedies in which women are ignorant dupes manipulated by doctors or unsupportive partners […] The anti-abortion movement’s refashioning of women seeking abortions from selfish tramps to weak-willed victims has been an effective move."

So we can’t ever hold abortion seekers accountable for what they do know about killing their baby, but we can’t give their motives the benefit of the doubt and allow that they don’t know, either (which, given the massive pro-abortion propaganda disseminated by Planned Parenthood and its political, educational, and media allies, doesn’t take a “weak-willed dupe” to fall for). Gee, it’s almost as if Filipovic doesn’t have a good-faith grievance after all and is just trying to gerrymander any and all pro-life arguments out of the discussion.

"And the church’s lobbying against abortion rights does have horrific outcomes, and not just for the estimated tens of thousands of women who die every year from unsafe abortion procedures and the nearly seven million women who are injured. Take, for example, Brazil, a largely Catholic country where abortion is outlawed and an estimated nearly one million women nonetheless terminate pregnancies every year."

And are these abortions that just spontaneously, involuntarily happen? Is the Catholic Church forcing these women to seek abortions or create children they don’t want? Is Filipovic’s suggestion that women are inherently incapable of making safer decisions more demeaning and un-feminist than anything the Pope has ever uttered?

"A handful of women and girls can get legal abortions in Brazil if they’re rape victims or if their lives are threatened by the pregnancy. But the Catholic Church sometimes intervenes, as it did in 2009 when a 9-year-old girl, who said she had been raped by her stepfather and was pregnant with twins, sought a legal abortion. The local archbishop excommunicated the girl’s mother and the doctors who performed the abortion — but not the stepfather. The child couldn’t be excommunicated because she was a minor."

As we said the last time pro-aborts tried to use child rape victims as human shields for abortion, just because the situation is horrible doesn’t mean we can create a new victim to spare one victim from suffering. But Filipovic knows that “9-year-old girl’s welfare versus religious dogma” sounds a whole lot simpler and more offensive than “9-year-old girl’s welfare versus 15-week-old twin prenates’ welfare.” (Admittedly, she has a valid complaint about not excommunicating the rapist, but that’s a separate issue from abortion’s legitimacy.)

And yet, after spending several hundred words misrepresenting facts, defending the slaughter of children of a woman’s right, and demonizing a major religion, Filipovic dares to close by musing of the Church, “Perhaps they should be the ones begging her forgiveness.” With audacity like that, she’d better hope Catholics are wrong about the entrance exam waiting at the Pearly Gates.


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1 posted on 09/12/2015 3:05:36 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Give him time, that’s probably in the next encyclical.


2 posted on 09/12/2015 3:07:41 PM PDT by scottinoc
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Interesting how they damn him for saying a woman should ask for forgiveness for abortion, and then make statements like that.

Of course, I expect hypocrisy out of unbelievers.


3 posted on 09/12/2015 3:11:19 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

He’s the official pope of the Democrat National Committee. He don’t have to beg forgiveness for anything.


4 posted on 09/12/2015 3:12:08 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Liberals keep looking for ways to be offended. I keep looking for ways to offend them.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

As a Catholic, I’m ashamed of this Pope..


5 posted on 09/12/2015 3:12:42 PM PDT by cardinal4 (Certified Islamophobe and Microaggressor..)
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To: scottinoc

No disrespect meant to the Catholic Church. I mean I’m just so frustrated with the leaders of all the denominations, with even the papacy seeming to get all wobbly on social issues. He’s no John Paul II. That’s just a non-catholic talking.


6 posted on 09/12/2015 3:12:53 PM PDT by scottinoc
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To: scottinoc

What’s probably in his next encyclical?


7 posted on 09/12/2015 3:16:28 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Point of huh?)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

It’s ok...his definition of sin has been evolving since day one. Abortion is only step one....

http://www.activistpost.com/2015/01/pope-pushing-depopulation-agenda-of.html

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/06/12/vatican-speaker-on-climate-thinks-there-are-6-billion-too-many-of-us/
http://www.cruxnow.com/church/2015/05/03/pro-life-anxiety-over-pope-francis-looming-ecological-manifesto/

http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative/2015/06/the-pope-bill-gates-governor-jerry-brown-advocates-for-world-government-and-depopulation-3171650.html


8 posted on 09/12/2015 3:17:11 PM PDT by Roman_War_Criminal (This Hispanic wants a wall, the National Guard, and turrets guarding our border)
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To: FlingWingFlyer

I think the Pope and and the DNC are not seeing eye-to-eye on abortion. Sex. Gender. Families. God. Man, Heaven. Hell. Little stuff like that.


9 posted on 09/12/2015 3:18:29 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Semper Fi.)
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To: cardinal4
Related to this article?

You're ashamed of the Pope ....for calling post-abortion women to repentance and reconciliation via the merciful forgiveness of God?

10 posted on 09/12/2015 3:20:18 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Semper Fi.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

He’s getting to get ready to make a visit to Barry’s house. Barry will fix that.


11 posted on 09/12/2015 3:22:26 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Liberals keep looking for ways to be offended. I keep looking for ways to offend them.)
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To: metmom; Mrs. Don-o
I think the deal is the radical feminist is upset that abortion should require any forgiveness be sought for, at all.

It's the daring to say without saying that terminating pregnancy is equivalent to terminating the life of a human.

12 posted on 09/12/2015 3:30:07 PM PDT by BlueDragon
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To: Mrs. Don-o
Filipovic is, of course, free to disbelieve Catholicism, but she is not free to pretend a religion can just casually dismiss its core tenets.

Actually, she is "free to pretend a religion can just casually dismiss its core tenets." She has done so, nobody has stopped her or suggested she should be stopped. There is no consequence other than disagreement.

13 posted on 09/12/2015 3:47:32 PM PDT by Tax-chick (I want to live my cat's life.)
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To: cardinal4

And I’m right to the side of you on this!!!

I cannot believe some of the crap that comes out of his mouth....

Instead of uniting the flock, he’s throwing them to all ends of the earth!!!


14 posted on 09/12/2015 3:52:27 PM PDT by HarleyLady27 ("Go TRUMP 2016!!! All the Way to the White House!!!)
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To: Roman_War_Criminal
The Pope's "definiton of sin" in relation to abortion hasn't evolved at all. Could you give me a quote that shows it has? He asks the women to turn away from this sin and confess it with real contrition. He instructs the priest in the Confessional to make sure she realizes the gravity of this sin as well as the mercy God shows to the repentant sinner.

Is this something that departs from what the Catholic Church has said since the 1st century AD?

And this is what he wrote about "population" in Laudato Si:

50. Instead of resolving the problems of the poor and thinking of how the world can be different, some can only propose a reduction in the birth rate. At times, developing countries face forms of international pressure which make economic assistance contingent on certain policies of “reproductive health”. Yet “while it is true that an unequal distribution of the population and of available resources creates obstacles to development and a sustainable use of the environment, it must nonetheless be recognized that demographic growth is fully compatible with an integral and shared development”.[28]

And about "abortion":

"120. Since everything is interrelated, concern for the protection of nature is also incompatible with the justification of abortion. How can we genuinely teach the importance of concern for other vulnerable beings, however troublesome or inconvenient they may be, if we fail to protect a human embryo, even when its presence is uncomfortable and creates difficulties? “If personal and social sensitivity towards the acceptance of the new life is lost, then other forms of acceptance that are valuable for society also wither away”.[97]

Are these statements offensive?

I, too, am disturbed by the network of "allies" the Pope surrounds himself with, who would vehemently disagree with the above Catholic principles.

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15 posted on 09/12/2015 3:55:06 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("He who sups with the Devil should have a long spoon.")
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To: Mrs. Don-o
We have the subject of the article, Ms. Filipovic, saying that it's wrong to discuss forgiveness for abortion because abortion isn't wrong. Then we have posters apparently saying it's wrong to offer forgiveness for abortion because ... well, I don't know.

I speculate that the energy behind these posts comes from deeply wanting to believe that sex outside marriage has no negative consequences and is not wrong, just as Ms. Filipovic wants to believe that abortion has no negative consequences and is not wrong.

16 posted on 09/12/2015 3:56:44 PM PDT by Tax-chick (I want to live my cat's life.)
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To: Tax-chick
"I speculate that the energy behind these posts comes from deeply wanting to believe that sex outside marriage has no negative consequences and is not wrong"

I don't know how you're arriving at that speculation. (Bear with me here, I may have misunderstood you.) Are you saying this because they condemn abortion but not nonmarital sex? I think the FReepers to whom you refer, would condemn nonmarital sex as well.

How many men are condemned for the abortion of their prenatal sons and daughters? Not many. Yet there are as many men involved in this, as women --- simply because they have sired children under circumstances that expose them to high risk, and then through weakness or indifference --- if not emotional pressure or worse --- consented to their deaths.

17 posted on 09/12/2015 4:10:32 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("God bless the child that's got his own." -- Billie Holiday)
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To: cardinal4

Ditto. He just blurs the Truth 24/7. It is so extremely evil for a Catholic Pope to do, and has to be intentional. He is not dumb.


18 posted on 09/12/2015 4:22:09 PM PDT by savagesusie (Right Reason According to Nature = Just Law)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

I’m saying that it seems to me as if some want abortion to be unforgivable, because it’s commonly a result of immoral sex. Abortion blows the illusion of sex as a consequence-free recreational activity that has no more moral content than a game of tennis. (So does birth.)

On the other hand, it’s possible that it’s simply animus towards Pope Francis.

I might be totally wrong about everything, though.


19 posted on 09/12/2015 4:24:01 PM PDT by Tax-chick (I want to live my cat's life.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Can he go to confession?


20 posted on 09/12/2015 5:20:55 PM PDT by matthew fuller (This is black slime and it needs to be eradicated from American society. (obama and holder))
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