Posted on 08/21/2015 8:52:17 AM PDT by maggief
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“I appreciate Governor Bush’s concern. I would note it seems he’s having a problem and getting confused between legal immigration and illegal immigration,” Cruz told reporters here ahead of his soapbox speech at the Iowa State Fair. “With regard to legal citizens, I’m a United States citizen because my mother was a United States citizen, born in Wilmington, Delaware. And it has been the law since the beginning of the country that the children of American citizens born here or abroad are American citizens by birth.”
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Actually, it’s a bit more complicated than that, because the laws changed several times during the 20th century. So you also have to take into account when they were born, because the requirements are different based on which law was in effect.
It is weird. Because, every US male tourist out there who fathers a kid creates a US citizen or similar for military personnel fathering kids abroad. Vietnam would be full of US citizens running around because of their ‘fathers’.
“I appreciate Governor Bush’s concern.”
That’s a nice way of saying, “what a ninny”
You’ll have to show me the verbiage on that. I recall being issued a U.S. Passport in my name, my name only, at the ripe old age of 13. Signifying to the world that I was a U.S. Citizen.
Dunham was not old enough when she had Obama to transfer her citizenship if he was born overseas. She was 18 and the rules in place at the time said that that she had to be 19 and have lived in the USA at least 14 years to be able to transfer citizenship to a child born overseas. Dunham was 18 when Obama was born which would be fine he was really born in Hawaii but not if he was born in another country. At least that is how I understand it.
Our first Naturalization Act of 1790 established "natural born" back in the day.
Key word is citizens, not citizen, ie one parent.
Ted Cruz handles these issues with the grace of a Star Wars light sabre ...
If Jeb is worried about citizenship why didn’t he ever say a word about president oreo? Short bus, short memory.
Yes, I am aware. I was trying to give a quick explanation to a questioner. I have read the birther threads here extensively. Ted’s mother was certainly of age; he had a US passport shortly after his birth in Canada. The Supreme Court has never defined natural born. My position is “evolving” but I believe the founders used that term specifically for POTUS to avoid any possibility of foreign loyalty and that natural born citizen is distinctly different from citizen. Both of my parents were born in the US to citizen parents. I was born in the US. No doubt about me.
In Zero's case, that had an interesting wrinkle, if you believed that little Barry came into the world in Kenya or whatever the place was called at the time.
It seems the statute in question only applied to married women. But BHO, Sr., already had a wife back in Kenya. Therefore, his "marriage" was to Stanley Ann was invalid. So, her age would not have been relevant to her ability to pass on US citizenship.
You carry your American citizenship with you wherever you go. If an American citizen creates a child in another country, the American citizen can go, if she/he wants to the American Embassy and register that child as an American citizen.
My son married in England to an English woman. They lived in London, child born in London and son went immediately that day to the American Embassy and the son was an American citizen that day and an American Passport for the new American citizen was given to son that very day. He has dual citizenship, American and British.
When the child comes to America, he goes to the American citizen line to come into the country. His mother, being a British citizen, has to go to the out of country line to come into the country.
What’s interesting is I’d say the same—except for those who became citizens at birth to another country because of being born there.
Weirdly, that apparently was the situation with Cruz and Canada.
Since his mother got a degree from Rice in the 50's and Ted was born in 70 she most likely wasn't under age and she met the 14 year requirement.
The Founders were worried about a Maximilian scenario, in which a European power schemes to insert one of its home-grown, blue-blooded nobles to take power over a New World country. They wanted to ensure the US would never be such a country. Mexico was not so lucky ...
Maximilian I, Emperor of Mexico, was a younger brother of Austrian emperor Franz Joseph I. From the Wikipedia:
After a distinguished career in the Austrian Navy, he entered into a scheme with Napoleon III of France to rule Mexico. France had invaded Mexico in 1861, with the implicit support and approval of other European powers, as part of the War of the French Intervention [aimed at establishing a monarchist ally in the New World]. Seeking to legitimize French rule, Napoleon III invited Maximilian to establish a new Mexican monarchy. With the support of the French army and a group of conservative Mexican monarchists, Maximilian traveled to Mexico where he declared himself Emperor of Mexico on 10 April 1864.[2]Many foreign governments, including that of the United States, refused to recognize his administration. Maximilian's Second Mexican Empire was widely considered a puppet of France. Additionally, the Mexican Republic was never entirely defeated ...
which proved to be Max's downfall. The French withdrew their troops in 1866. Max opted to stick with his small band of Mexican monarchists, but they were overwhelmed by Republican forces. Max was duly executed in June 1867. He paid his executioners not to shoot him in the head, so that his mother could see his face.
Citizenship “at birth” of one born outside of the United States to only one citizen-parent, that such citizen parent have resided in the United States for not less than ten years, at least five of which were after the age of fourteen (8 U.S.C. §1401(a)(7)) (1958 ed.)
A fascinating case. I saw the movie “Juarez” on TCM not too long ago!
Katie, Hiding behind behind big black rimmed glasses doesn’t obscure your stupidity.
He sounds as desperate as Rand Paul, Catlyn Jebbie Pauline ?
You are absolutely right. However, what we are debating here is the special designation that becoming POTUS carries with it, that being the term “natural born citizen” but many do not make the distinction. Some say your grandchild could be president and others do not.
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