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To: Boogieman

Yes, I am aware. I was trying to give a quick explanation to a questioner. I have read the birther threads here extensively. Ted’s mother was certainly of age; he had a US passport shortly after his birth in Canada. The Supreme Court has never defined natural born. My position is “evolving” but I believe the founders used that term specifically for POTUS to avoid any possibility of foreign loyalty and that natural born citizen is distinctly different from citizen. Both of my parents were born in the US to citizen parents. I was born in the US. No doubt about me.


30 posted on 08/21/2015 9:23:51 AM PDT by Rona Badger (Heeds the calling wind.)
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To: Rona Badger
I believe the founders used that term specifically for POTUS to avoid any possibility of foreign loyalty and that natural born citizen is distinctly different from citizen.

The Founders were worried about a Maximilian scenario, in which a European power schemes to insert one of its home-grown, blue-blooded nobles to take power over a New World country. They wanted to ensure the US would never be such a country. Mexico was not so lucky ...

Maximilian I, Emperor of Mexico, was a younger brother of Austrian emperor Franz Joseph I. From the Wikipedia:

After a distinguished career in the Austrian Navy, he entered into a scheme with Napoleon III of France to rule Mexico. France had invaded Mexico in 1861, with the implicit support and approval of other European powers, as part of the War of the French Intervention [aimed at establishing a monarchist ally in the New World]. Seeking to legitimize French rule, Napoleon III invited Maximilian to establish a new Mexican monarchy. With the support of the French army and a group of conservative Mexican monarchists, Maximilian traveled to Mexico where he declared himself Emperor of Mexico on 10 April 1864.[2]

Many foreign governments, including that of the United States, refused to recognize his administration. Maximilian's Second Mexican Empire was widely considered a puppet of France. Additionally, the Mexican Republic was never entirely defeated ...

which proved to be Max's downfall. The French withdrew their troops in 1866. Max opted to stick with his small band of Mexican monarchists, but they were overwhelmed by Republican forces. Max was duly executed in June 1867. He paid his executioners not to shoot him in the head, so that his mother could see his face.

35 posted on 08/21/2015 9:31:57 AM PDT by cynwoody
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To: Rona Badger

I agree “natural born” is a different and higher standard than just “citizen”. From my research, there are really only two categories of citizens though, the “natural born” and the “naturalized”. I think the reason it was not officially defined in the Constitution is because the founders probably thought (perhaps foolishly) that the difference would be obvious enough not to require a formal definition.

Still, if you are not “naturalized”, then it stands to reason you must be “natural born”, for there is no 3rd category of citizen mentioned anywhere. Any other terms used are just synonymous with one of those two categories.


52 posted on 08/21/2015 10:19:43 AM PDT by Boogieman
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To: Rona Badger

No doubt about me. —

Unless you have White Privilege.


60 posted on 08/21/2015 11:08:10 AM PDT by Scrambler Bob (Using 4th keyboard due to wearing out the "/" and "s" on the previous 3)
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