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New York Times: G.O.P. Candidates Follow Trump to the Bottom on Immigration
New York Times ^ | 08/20/2015 | THE EDITORIAL BOARD

Posted on 08/20/2015 10:53:51 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

Before Donald Trump, Republican presidential candidates could deflect tough questions on immigration with vague promises to secure the border and oppose all “amnesty” for illegal immigrants.

Not anymore. Mr. Trump has offered a plan to “take back our country” from what he calls the rapist-murderer-job stealers being exported from Mexico. He is full of ideas. He would expel 11 million immigrants, and their families, and let only “the good ones” back in. He would restrict legal immigration, and impose a national job-verification system so that everyone, citizens too, would need federal permission to work. He would build a 2,000-mile border wall and force Mexicans to pay for it. He would replace the Constitution’s guarantee of citizenship by birth with citizenship by bloodline and pedigree, leaving it to politicians and bureaucrats to decide what to do with millions of stateless children. He would flood the country with immigration agents and — it almost goes without saying — dismantle the economy and shred America’s standing as an immigrant-welcoming nation.

You could say the front-running Mr. Trump has put his opponents in a bind. Or you could say he has given them a gift: the opportunity to be specific in return about what they would do to fix the immigration mess. And to be forthright in rejecting his despicable proposals. Because his plan is so naked — in its scapegoating of immigrants, its barely subtextual racism, its immense cruelty in seeking to reduce millions of people to poverty and hopelessness — it gives his opponents the chance for a very clear moral decision. They can stand up for better values, and against the collective punishment of millions of innocent Americans-in-waiting.

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1 posted on 08/20/2015 10:53:51 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

The Dems will be along shortly IF the polls run against them badly enough. It’s all about power for them.


2 posted on 08/20/2015 10:55:29 AM PDT by Pearls Before Swine
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To: SeekAndFind

“To the Bottom”

Lower than the NY Times?


3 posted on 08/20/2015 10:56:02 AM PDT by oblomov
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To: SeekAndFind

If the NYTimes doesn’t like it, I LOVE it.


4 posted on 08/20/2015 10:57:17 AM PDT by Eccl 10:2 (Prov 3:5 --- "Trust in the Lord with all your heart and lean not on your own understanding")
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To: SeekAndFind
his despicable proposals... in its scapegoating of immigrants, its barely subtextual racism, its immense cruelty in seeking to reduce millions of people to poverty and hopelessness

Ah, okay, we get it now NYT. You demand that America die -- in order to make life easier for the people who have invaded her.

5 posted on 08/20/2015 10:59:11 AM PDT by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either satire or opinion. Or both.)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; cardinal4; ColdOne; ...

Partisan Media Shills Alert!


6 posted on 08/20/2015 10:59:56 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (What do we want? REGIME CHANGE! When do we want it? NOW)
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To: BenLurkin

oh blah blah blah...you, the NY Times, are not the gate keepers anymore of what we can or cannot talk about.


7 posted on 08/20/2015 11:00:56 AM PDT by Hildy (God bless America, God bless SIlverton, Colorado and God protect us from the EPA.)
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To: Pearls Before Swine
The Dems will be along shortly IF the polls run against them badly enough. It’s all about power for them. -------------------------------------------------------- The democrats are running in the republican race... i.e. TRUMP...

A known good loyal liberal democrat for many years...

THAT STOLE.. Ted Cruz's IDEAS... and became a COPY-CAT...


8 posted on 08/20/2015 11:01:05 AM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited (specifically) to include some fully orbed hyperbole..)
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To: Pearls Before Swine

Back in the 90’s there were a good number Democrats in Congress who were better on immigration than the Bush/NWO/Corporate wing of the GOP.

Democrats had their own plan to drastically reduce immigration because they expected the new GOP Congress to move on the issue and they wanted to share the credit.

Then the Bush/Kemp/Scum faction of the GOP were able to distract gullible conservative from the immigration invasion brought us to the disastrous situation we are at now.


9 posted on 08/20/2015 11:03:43 AM PDT by Empire View
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To: SeekAndFind

NY Slimes.....


10 posted on 08/20/2015 11:04:34 AM PDT by b4its2late (A Liberal is a person who will give away everything he doesn't own.)
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To: SeekAndFind

“They can stand up for better values, and against the collective punishment of millions of innocent Americans-in-waiting.”

Or, y’know, against the appropriate administrative repatriation of illegally present foreign citizens...

Same thing, really...

ARGH.


11 posted on 08/20/2015 11:05:14 AM PDT by jagusafr
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To: SeekAndFind
I'm baffled. If invaders go back home, those jobs are going to be filled by unemployed US citizens. A very large percentage of those citizens are black. So, according to the New York Times, it's racist to have a plan that will put black and other minority US citizens to work?

Wow.

12 posted on 08/20/2015 11:07:41 AM PDT by grania
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To: SeekAndFind

The NYT immigration plan is to completely open our border and let anyone who arrives in America by any means become instant American citizens. Of course they would not need to be screened for criminal behavior, diseases, mental illness, etc. All would become instantly eligible for free health care, education, welfare, housing and of course would be eligible to VOTE. All hospitals and public institutions would be forced to operate and produce documents in 50 foreign languages to accommodate the new citizens. If the entire population of central and south America as well as Mexico, somalia or cuba decided to live in the US that would be fine with them. The more the merrier. If this were to happen the US as we know it would no longer exist, which I’m sure would be just fine with the NYT. I much prefer the Trump plan.


13 posted on 08/20/2015 11:09:24 AM PDT by Brooklyn Attitude (Things are only going to get worse.)
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To: BenLurkin

In other words the NYT supports human trafficking and the exploitation of illegal labor at the detriment of lower middle class union workers.


14 posted on 08/20/2015 11:09:32 AM PDT by USNBandit (Sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: SeekAndFind

Leftist MSM still parroting the discredited meme of 11 million illegals.

It’s closer to 50 million, and they know it.


15 posted on 08/20/2015 11:10:50 AM PDT by T-Bone Texan ('Zionists crept into my home and stole my shoe' - Headline)
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To: SeekAndFind
G.O.P. Candidates Follow Trump to the Bottom on Immigration TOP IN THE POLLS!

There, fixed it!!

16 posted on 08/20/2015 11:10:58 AM PDT by Dick Bachert (This entire "administration" has been a series of Reischstag Fires. We know how that turned out!)
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To: SeekAndFind

This just makes me smile so much!


17 posted on 08/20/2015 11:12:02 AM PDT by Anitius Severinus Boethius (www.wilsonharpbooks.com - Sign up for my new release e-mail and get my first novel for free)
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To: Brooklyn Attitude

And thanks to the welfare system here, they’d all become DEMOCRAT VOTERS. And that, gang, is the purpose of the exercise!

GEE, I wonder if his CORRECT POSITION on the “PROGRESSIVE” PERVERTED 14th AMENDMENT has anything to do with Trump’s rise in the polls? I just PRAY he’s SINCERE!!!

A prime technique for bringing down an existing social order is to OVERLOAD and OVERWHELM the governmental systems, creating economic and social chaos. What’s going on today is straight out of Saul Alinsky’s “Rules for Radicals” and the Cloward-Piven Strategy named for the Marxist maniac couple who tutored obazo on its finer points. Because we have NOT sent home 20 million illegals, WE NOW HAVE THE FISCAL BANKRUPTCY AND ARE CLOSING IN ON THE SOCIAL CHAOS. BOTH parties have been applying those methods but obozo, who studied those methods under Bill Ayers and later became a devotee of Cloward-Piven strategy while a so-called “community organizer,” is using ALL the gadgets in the radical toolkit. If it continues much longer, YOUR kids are doomed to life as serfs in a nation that will more resemble Nazi Germany or the old USSR than the America the Founders ATTEMPTED to leave us.
 
My niece was an OB/GYN who took her pre-med at HAAAAVVAAAAADDD! Needless to say, she emerged from that experience a LIBERAL. (She stopped catching babies and went into research when her malpractice premiums ultimately began to exceed her annual earnings.)
 
Upon completing her medical training at yet another liberal university, she interned at a hospital near the border in “Kahlifonia.”
 
It was there that a mystical transformation took place: She began to connect the heavy deductions from the slave wage GROSS EARNINGS for which she busted her butt for as many as 72 virtually sleepless hours with the taxis and jalopies regularly sliding to the curb in front of the ER.
 
Many of them contained pregnant illegals who won the race to deliver their babies HERE. She caught many of those “anchor babies” who, under the current — and COMPLETELY ERRONEOUS —interpretation of the 14th Amendment were IMMEDIATELY NEW AMERICANS. The mother – who, obviously, could not care for the child if she were back in her native land — could not be deported now even if the INS and the political bosses WANTED her deported (which, because these illegals can generally be counted on to vote the liberal line, they DO NOT). And as the mother of a new US citizen, the woman could remain here for about as long as she cared to – and that was usually for life.

(NOTE: I’ll post several links to more information on the 14th Amendment at the end of my little rant. It’s a fascinating and disturbing story.

Most of those patients were welfare recipients and the deliveries were charity cases: The bill for the hospital’s – and HER services – were routinely spread over the bills of those who DO pay. And what the other users of those facilities don’t cover went back to the taxpayers.

And since my family member was now a taxpayer, they were costing HER.
 
And while she may not exactly be a libertarian, today she has come a long way from Harvard.

And just so the bleeders who might see this don’t think me some sort of ethnocentric bigot, I submit this problem is MORE than just about illegals.
 
Before my oldest daughter was born at University Hospital in Cleveland in 1967, I sat in the main lobby as welfare mother-to-be after welfare mother-to-be waddled through the door to the maternity ER for THEIR free deliveries.
 
Before WE could take OUR daughter home, I had to cough up over 3 grand. And that was a great deal of dough in 1967, especially for a guy who’d just finished a 4 year turn in the USAF.
 
As I wrote the check, I remembered the magazine article I’d recently read by a hospital administrator from Massachusetts who admitted that all US hospitals practiced a form of medical Marxism, spreading the costs of care for indigents over the bills of those who DO pay for care. Given the move to socialism here, it probably will never be otherwise: Not counting Byzantine complexity and confusion, government produces – and has — NOTHING unless it first takes it from some PERSON. SOMEBODY ALWAYS PAYS.

The illegals have been using the emergency rooms of our hospitals for their health-care, almost always at no charge to them. That cost is either spread over other users or the taxpayers. We have seen a national epidemic of hospital closings due to their insolvency, much of it caused by the burden of trying to render care to PEOPLE WHO SHOULDN’T EVEN BE HERE, denying care to native-born citizens who normally pay their bills and their taxes. And, I submit, the drain the illegals impose on the welfare system is a major reason for our national insolvency and the impending social chaos. (Thank you grubby leftist, power-hungry RINO politicians and bureaucrats!)
 
Look, I have a big enough problem paying for the 3rd and 4th generation slackers and welfare bums who were BORN here.
 
It’s long past time we stopped paying for those who were not.

PS: Sadly, we lost my niece to cancer in May of 2011 – at age 50!
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AFTER RANT POST:
For a short, Reader’s Digest version of the ORIGINAL intent of the 14th Amendment, go here: http://pocusa.info/NLArchive22_14thAmndt.html . For a more comprehensive explanation of the events surrounding the amendment, go here: http://www.14thamendment.us/index.html )
 


18 posted on 08/20/2015 11:13:51 AM PDT by Dick Bachert (This entire "administration" has been a series of Reischstag Fires. We know how that turned out!)
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To: SeekAndFind

You know you’re over the target when the flak gets heavy.


19 posted on 08/20/2015 11:14:52 AM PDT by Pelham (Without deportation you have defacto amnesty)
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To: SunkenCiv

I wonder how many thousands of New York Times employees live next to illegal immigrants?


20 posted on 08/20/2015 11:14:57 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (My Batting Average( 1,000) (GOPe is that easy to read))
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