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Carly, Don’t Fall For The Fox Trap
Townhall.com ^ | August 3, 2015 | Josh Pinho

Posted on 08/03/2015 11:01:00 AM PDT by Kaslin

Six months before a single primary vote is cast, Fox News and the RNC are making a historic move — they have decided to make the decision for the voters and arbitrarily limit the GOP field to ten. They have chosen who constitutes a serious candidate and who constitutes a B-lister based on the average of several early national polls.

The use of national polling itself is problematic, as it gives a clear advantage to well-funded candidates with a clear national presence, while putting grassroots movements at a significant disadvantage. It also prioritizes celebrity over substance.

In spite of her willingness to take on tough issues in a polished yet unapologetic manner, Carly Fiorina has missed the cut. She’s been one of the sharpest critics of Hillary Clinton, and yet, while real-estate moguls, threatening to mount a third-party run, are allowed to turn the stage into something resembling a reality show, her candidacy is left to languish on stage with the George Patakis and Jim Gilmores of the race.

In the midst of a renewed wave of outrage against Planned Parenthood and their barbaric practices, the GOP needs Carly Fiorina. At a time when it seems many GOP leaders would prefer to steer clear of the issue of life, she has made the issue one of the key tenets of her campaign. Moreover, her defense of life has been articulate and heartfelt, and as such she has emerged as one of the most effective and prominent voices for life in the field.

Her appearance on ‘the View’ in June demonstrated that, even before a liberal host and what can only be assumed to be a liberal audience, Carly is unapologetic in her defense of the sanctity of life. Whoopi Goldberg asked Fiorina, “If you feel that women should have the choice — have the choices — why do you think choice is not a good thing?” And despite this question being designed to manufacture a gaffe, Carly responded as coherently and on point as ever:

“Well, look, I think that abortion is obviously a very delicate subject. I happen to believe that science is proving us right. I mean, the zygote – the DNA in a zygote is the same the day you die. But I understand, respect, we don't all agree. We do have common ground on this issue now. The majority of women, the majority of young people, the majority of Americans now think that late term abortion for any reason at all is a problem.”

It is clear that Carly is an asset to the GOP. Yet, she is the most noteworthy casualty of an arbitrary numbers game that does nothing to help our party.

That is not to say that missing this first debate will be a death sentence for her campaign, but it is undoubtedly a setback.

In an effort to be fair and balanced, Fox News created a second tier debate, starting at 5:00 P.M. on Thursday, for the candidates who did not make the cut for the prime time debate. One would think that the opportunity to appear in any debate would entail free publicity, but the cost of entering the second tier debate — and admitting that you are an unserious candidate — outweighs any potential benefit.

Fiorina isn’t desperate for publicity. In fact, she has been one of the more visible and outspoken candidates in the entire field. Additionally, the level of buzz surrounding the prime time debate, much of which can, more than likely, be attributed to Donald Trump’s volatility, will translate into high viewership — a viewership that will be leaps and bounds above the viewership for the early debate.

Fiorina’s campaign has probably already received the invitation to attend that second tier debate. She should absolutely decline that invitation. The cost of accepting the invitation is that the agreement to appear is tantamount to an admission of B-list, also-ran status. Candidates have recovered from missing early debates in the past, as did Rick Santorum in 2012. However, there is a stark difference between missing a debate and attending an inferior debate in a much less high-profile time slot.

Instead, her time would be better served continuing to make inroads in the early primary states, and connecting with voters in those states. While the candidates are on stage dodging the tough questions, and trading barbs with Trump, Carly can be working to build the type of support that will matter when the first votes are cast.

There will be more debates. Voters aren’t going to decide who to vote for based on this first debate, and they certainly won’t make that decision based on the early B-lister debate. Carly isn’t going to gain any ground by beating Lindsey Graham on the debate stage—so with primary season rapidly approaching, why waste time in Ohio when she can be meeting with voters in Iowa?


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Politics/Elections; US: California
KEYWORDS: 2016election; abortion; california; carlyfiorina; debates; election2016; foxnews; prochoice
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To: The Ghost of FReepers Past

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21 posted on 08/03/2015 11:37:28 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Moving day: June 16th, 2015. LEFT >>>HOPE and CHANGE>>> RIGHT / [DOPE and STRANGE stay home].)
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To: Reno89519

Nonsensical bs. HP has a market cap of 55 billion largely because of the foresight and guts of Fiorina.


22 posted on 08/03/2015 11:38:56 AM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: monocle

“Whoever is perceived to have “won” the second tier debate may have gained more round than if they had participated in the first tier.”

I believe those who do well in the 2ned tier may get a boost, and those that don’t do well in the 1st tier may e hurt.

We are 15 months out from the election. I think the ridiculous size of the field, is evidence of how dysfunctional, unorganized the GOP is, from the RNC, to leadership and the vast field of candidates using it for their future earnings only.

“Former GOP Presidential candidate: xxxxx”


23 posted on 08/03/2015 11:39:56 AM PDT by truth_seeker (come with the outlws.)
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These debates with 10 on the stage is stupid. What, they'll get 7 minutes tops? How about they debate one on one for an hour or two? Do one every night for the next two months. Then they actually have to have substance to what they say.

If the GOP hasn't figured out that they can go around the media for these debates, they deserve to lose. You have the world's most dynamic media available and they still want 10 people on a stage.
24 posted on 08/03/2015 11:41:07 AM PDT by tenger (Obama will do what he wants because who's gonna stop him?)
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To: RIghtwardHo

That bears repeating often.


25 posted on 08/03/2015 11:42:27 AM PDT by HANG THE EXPENSE (Life's tough.It's tougher when you're stupid.)
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To: Kaslin

http://pjmedia.com/instapundit/211746/

Click on “view” at bottom of list.


26 posted on 08/03/2015 11:45:36 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: DoughtyOne

This is a total girl thing to say, but, look at the two photos and notice, she is very good at matching her makeup to her outfits. She has good style.


27 posted on 08/03/2015 11:48:15 AM PDT by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light..... Isaiah 5:20)
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To: Kaslin

So, the early debate will have fewer participants than the later one, won’t it? I think they should start with all 17 and then vote one off each week via toll-free call.


28 posted on 08/03/2015 11:50:28 AM PDT by ichabod1 (Spriiingtime for islam, and tyranny. Winter for US and frieeends. . .)
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To: The Ghost of FReepers Past

When I looked for a photo for her, my two observations were that she had far too many unguarded moments when it came to makeup, and she also upgraded her style, hair and other things in recent years.

I think it’s important for a woman to look her best. Men too, but particularly women.


29 posted on 08/03/2015 11:52:04 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Moving day: June 16th, 2015. LEFT >>>HOPE and CHANGE>>> RIGHT / [DOPE and STRANGE stay home].)
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To: InterceptPoint

Fox News could be accused of being sexist. There needs to be at least ONE woman in the debate. Wow, unthinkable. Women everywhere should revolt.


30 posted on 08/03/2015 11:53:57 AM PDT by rovenstinez
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To: Kaslin

iCarly is out of the top ten for some good reasons.

* “health of the mother” exception on abortion
* Opposed a ban on embryonic stem cell research
* Wants to ‘examine the science’ on Global Warming, as the “US can’t act alone”
* Favored DREAM Act
* Opposed ban on homosexuals in the military
* Pledged to ‘work across the aisle’ in California race, referring specifically to Dianne Feinstein

http://www.ontheissues.org/Senate/Carly_Fiorina.htm

If Republicans ran gender identity campaigns, they’d be even more like Democrats.


31 posted on 08/03/2015 11:57:16 AM PDT by Colonel_Flagg ("No social transformation without representation." - Justice Antonin Scalia)
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To: Kaslin
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and yet, while real-estate moguls, threatening to mount a third-party run, are allowed to turn the stage into something resembling a reality show, her candidacy is left to languish on stage with the George Patakis and Jim Gilmores of the race.


Carly Fiorina has taken some interesting positions, some of them "conservative", on various issues.

Do I trust her like I do Sarah Palin or Michelle Bachman ?

Hardly.

I genuinely hope that I'm mistaken about Carly Fiorina.

My experience of watching RINOs run as "Conservatives" whom they privately despise over champaign, has taught me otherwise ...


Apologies for spelling errors ...


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32 posted on 08/03/2015 12:02:05 PM PDT by Patton@Bastogne
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To: Kaslin

Yup, Screw Fox & Screw This Format!

What A Joke ~


33 posted on 08/03/2015 12:16:55 PM PDT by IwaCornDogs ("There Will Be Bamboozeling" ~ Nobama 08')
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To: Kaslin

Just as long as she stays in the race until almost the end, getting 1-2 percent the entire time, and ripping Hillary to shreds every step of the way.


34 posted on 08/03/2015 12:21:54 PM PDT by Teacher317 (We have now sunk to a depth at which restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men)
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To: Colonel_Flagg

35 posted on 08/03/2015 12:36:22 PM PDT by luvie (All my heroes wear camos! Thank you David, Michael, Chris, Txradioguy, JJ, CMS, & ALL Vets, too!w)
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To: IwaCornDogs

Ten candidates is probably too many, to be honest. The format isn’t the problem, it’s the number of candidates. Carly needs to stay in the race to keep hammering Hillary, though, whether she gets on the debates or not.


36 posted on 08/03/2015 12:41:52 PM PDT by Teacher317 (We have now sunk to a depth at which restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men)
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To: TexasGator
I have no huge quarrel w limiting the numbers, and having two debates. There is a lot I want to hear. This is a chance for some of the fine-but-lesser-known candidates to impress us; and, there just might be a few that I would not feel too badly if they muddle their message or just visibly do not measure up.

Importantly, it could be argued that the shining star of the 5pmers will get a bigger and better boost than the also-rans of the 8pmers.

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37 posted on 08/03/2015 12:56:31 PM PDT by Seaplaner (Never give in. Never give in. Never...except to convictions of honour and good sense. W. Churchill)
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To: jwalsh07

Nonsensical? She cost 18-24,000 American jobs and replaced many with foreign workers.


38 posted on 08/03/2015 1:51:38 PM PDT by Reno89519 (American Lives Matter! US Citizen, Veteran, Conservative, Republican. I vote. Trump 2016.)
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To: HANG THE EXPENSE

Indeed indeed.


39 posted on 08/03/2015 1:58:38 PM PDT by RIghtwardHo
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To: rovenstinez
Carly is an affirmative action candidate and participant. It is idiotic that some people favor her for her attacks on Clinton. How about her job killing, her positions? Don't they matter? She got rightfully fired from HP, she failed in a run for the Senate, what has she done to justify consideration? From what I can see, nothing.

With Trump and Cruz we've got two good candidates, plus a number of others, despite politics, that would be much better than Carly. No, she should be down and out.

40 posted on 08/03/2015 2:00:46 PM PDT by Reno89519 (American Lives Matter! US Citizen, Veteran, Conservative, Republican. I vote. Trump 2016.)
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